Moon Landing: Fake or Real?

[Jackalope]

That particular technology is post Apollo.

There's a cloth version that I'm fairly certain predates Apollo by a fair margin.

[Anomalocaris]

What particular technological challenge do you think was too insurmountable? The breathing apparatus? The rocket engine? The taste of tang?

Space toilets.

They didn't need no stinking toilets. They used bags and relieve tubes.

(Btw, the Russians beat us in the hygenic space toilet race by about 6 years. This is an aspect of the moon race you don't often hear about the in US)

[Cato]

Space toilets.

They didn't need no stinking toilets. They used bags and relieve tubes.

Alan Shepard didn't even require these.

[popeyespappy]

Space toilets.

They didn't need no stinking toilets. They used bags and relieve tubes.

(Btw, the Russians beat us in the hygenic space toilet race by about 6 years. This is an aspect of the moon race you don't often hear about the in US)

Both the toilets on the ISS are Russian made.

[pocaracas]

...are you being serious, Poc?

I just fucking said my father came out of that building. Many of my older friends spent time there helping with emergency services and clearing away rubble.

If I'm serious?... meh... I'm agnostic.

I must have missed that detail about your dad... sorry. Did any of your friends take pictures of that rubble? A Before and After would be nice...

So you just watched Loose Change, and are unaware the film has been thoroughly debunked?

There's a movie with all the conspiracy theories?!
How convenient...

I have friends who cleared Al Qaeda occupied buildings where they were hollowing out babies to fill with explosives. If you don't think a terrorist strike was possible, and think the same government that couldn't cover up watergate or the fact that the president got a BJ from an intern is capable of a conspiracy to kill American civilians involving hundreds of thousands of co-conspirators, not one of whom have done forward, you're out of your mind.

See what I mean?
I ask for evidence of the facts and you guys attack... claiming the government is incompetent and, so, unable to pull such an elaborate stunt... As is the case in any organization, there are competent people and incompetent ones. Just because some incompetencies have surfaced, that doesn't mean that some competencies would surface as easily.

I haven't googled this subject, as I'd expect to find many conflicting reports... some from the conspiracy theorists, some from those debunking them... Please direct me to a clean source: one that gives me the facts and preferably not just debunkings.

This "I have friends who cleared Al Qaeda occupied buildings where they were hollowing out babies to fill with explosives. " reminds me of the old canard that communists (or whatever group of people you're trying to make out into an even worse "race") eat babies for breakfast... It's second hand (at best) information apparently intent on bringing forth the disgust of the general population.
Mind you, I believe there are people out there that would be capable of such actions... and the terrorist profile could fit... but did they really do that?

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As for the moon landing, all it took was a bit of Newtonian physics, lots of thrust, oxygen tanks, some first steps venturing out... and it's there. They only got there at the 11th launch.
I see no reason to fake it, and all the evidence points to it having actually happened.

[Welsh cake]

We know they landed on the moon.

But the question: Was there a partial hoax? With the televised transmissions staged in a film-set? Acting as an emergency backup in-case the actual cameras on-board Apollo 11 failed, can obviously never be answered.

US government has so many contingency plans for failure it'll make most people's head spin.

[Cyberman]

The problem with the movie set idea, and it really is a biggie, is that all the footage would have to be filmed at one-sixth Earth normal gravity, on a set so large it would be impossible to light with anything other than multiple sources not evident in any of the footage, in a vacuum chamber bigger than anything technologically possible (then or now) so as to accomodate the set. Not to mention the effects footage of the CSM cameras in lunar orbit and the LM performing its manoeuvres. Add to that the necessity of actually launching a vehicle at the Moon for all the astronomers across the globe to track and from which to bounce radio and telemetry signals in order to create the illusion of a manned spaceflight, then ferrying the astronauts to this returning vehicle before re-entry to simulate a splashdown. I'm not even going to go into the problems with the private contractors who built the vehicles, all of whom would have to be convinced they were designing and building an actual spacecraft capable of making the trip, or all the mission control staff who would have to be convinced they were actually running a Moonshot.

Basically it would have been easier to go to the Moon.

[Crossless2.0]

I suspect the Moon-hoax conspiracy buffs saw Capricorn One and thought they were watching a documentary.

[professor]

It was conjectured that, because of the belief the moon is millions of years old that the lander would come down into a vast dust cavity when landing.
Not a peep about this came forth after the "Landing" -
I remember that fact during the event.
Either the millions of years are bogus or the landing was.

There was dust around the lander, in spite of the fact there would have been multiplied thousandths of pounds of thrust blowing all of it away and glazing the rocks from the heat. There would have been an actual crater surrounding the lander if reality was in effect.

In the crisp black and white shots (done on a stage- probably at Area 51) shadows are seen at different angle and NO stars are seen.
If this was on the moon, stars would be visible and shadows would not reveal different light sources.

The media was prevented from live feed at the control center and had to camera the fuzzy pictures off a projector. Why? Why were the pics fuzzy? The crew had a color camera on board, however, all pics supposedly on the moon were black and white.

The space capsule was orbiting the earth while pretending to be on the moon.
They were well out of range of anyone's radar to pick up and the Russians would not know where to aim radar anyway.

Being in earth orbit, the crew were out of range of the deadly radiation belt between them and the moon.
Why the Russians did not ballyhoo what they knew about the Van Allen belt, I do not know. Maybe they fell for the hoax too.

Very few people who worked on the program knew the whole picture.
It is the same in every industry.
Especially one with the cloak of secrecy around it.

Back when the event occurred, I did not think much about it. I saw it, believed it.
I was into cars not rockets.
I did escape Vietnam because of a severe injury, and as the years progressed I started adding up the lies of govt. to where I believe nothing they say- only what they do.
Just as I believe nothing the Impostor says - only what he does.

[Rampant.A.I.]

...are you being serious, Poc?

I just fucking said my father came out of that building. Many of my older friends spent time there helping with emergency services and clearing away rubble.

If I'm serious?... meh... I'm agnostic.

I must have missed that detail about your dad... sorry. Did any of your friends take pictures of that rubble? A Before and After would be nice...

So you just watched Loose Change, and are unaware the film has been thoroughly debunked?

There's a movie with all the conspiracy theories?!
How convenient...

I have friends who cleared Al Qaeda occupied buildings where they were hollowing out babies to fill with explosives. If you don't think a terrorist strike was possible, and think the same government that couldn't cover up watergate or the fact that the president got a BJ from an intern is capable of a conspiracy to kill American civilians involving hundreds of thousands of co-conspirators, not one of whom have done forward, you're out of your mind.

See what I mean?
I ask for evidence of the facts and you guys attack... claiming the government is incompetent and, so, unable to pull such an elaborate stunt... As is the case in any organization, there are competent people and incompetent ones. Just because some incompetencies have surfaced, that doesn't mean that some competencies would surface as easily.

I haven't googled this subject, as I'd expect to find many conflicting reports... some from the conspiracy theorists, some from those debunking them... Please direct me to a clean source: one that gives me the facts and preferably not just debunkings.

This "I have friends who cleared Al Qaeda occupied buildings where they were hollowing out babies to fill with explosives. " reminds me of the old canard that communists (or whatever group of people you're trying to make out into an even worse "race") eat babies for breakfast... It's second hand (at best) information apparently intent on bringing forth the disgust of the general population.
Mind you, I believe there are people out there that would be capable of such actions... and the terrorist profile could fit... but did they really do that?

---

As for the moon landing, all it took was a bit of Newtonian physics, lots of thrust, oxygen tanks, some first steps venturing out... and it's there. They only got there at the 11th launch.
I see no reason to fake it, and all the evidence points to it having actually happened.

If you want to discuss your 9-11 conspiracy theory, start a thread, or go post in the thread where it's already being debunked. There is no point in spending time debunking something that hilariously far-fetched when this thread is about the moronic denial of the moon landing.

As it is, you have yet to produce a reason for the conspiracy, the methodology of how such a conspiracy was carried out, or provide enough support for such wild claims.



You don't expect "9-11 was an inside job" to be taken at face value, and accepted as compelling just because you say so, do you?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mobile/...ws/1227842

http://mobile.news.com.au/world/six-real...6717737311

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/911-co...z345ykz2ry

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/?m=1

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/...911_morons

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/se...s-debunked

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/9-11-conspir...wont-stop/

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/06...s.html?m=1

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/09/12/1...crackpots/