Abortion is morally wrong

[bennyboy]

Abortion (for non-medically necessary reasons) is wrong as is execution and war. If you're going to take the moral high ground, at least make it count.

You haven't established that anything at all is wrong, including execution and war. You haven't shown that life of any form has an intrinsic value other than the one we choose to place on it.

Well, some people place more value on the existing life of a teenager, and the years of attention and resources that have gone into raising her, than they do on a collection of cells with neither a name nor a brain. So if you're going to take a moral ground of any type, you'll have to explain why someone else needs to place the same value on a fertilized egg that you do.

[GrandizerII]

Abortion (for non-medically necessary reasons) is wrong as is execution and war. If you're going to take the moral high ground, at least make it count.

Do you eat meat by any chance?

[Esquilax]

Abortion (for non-medically necessary reasons) is wrong as is execution and war. If you're going to take the moral high ground, at least make it count.

Okay, let's trade assertions, then:

No it isn't.

Got anything real?

[Polaris]

Abortion (for non-medically necessary reasons) is wrong as is execution and war. If you're going to take the moral high ground, at least make it count.

Okay, let's trade assertions, then:

No it isn't.

Got anything real?

You must be a hit with neo-cons.

[bennyboy]

Okay, let's trade assertions, then:

No it isn't.

Got anything real?

You must be a hit with neo-cons.

lolwut?

[Losty]

Okay, let's trade assertions, then:

No it isn't.

Got anything real?

You must be a hit with neo-cons.

Are you going to tell us why abortion is immoral? Or why you think that your morals need to apply to everyone else? I don't think abortion is immoral and I don't understand why, if it is immoral, it would not also be immoral in cases of medical necessity. Also, is abortion immoral in the case of rape?

[bennyboy]

I don't understand what the frack Polaris is talking about. He's saying that abortion is wrong, then accusing someone who disagrees of being a neo-con? Does Polaris not know what a neo-con is, or am I missing a major point, here?

[Clueless Morgan]

And I would ask for justification for that assertion because I think their position is unreasonable and tramples the rights of a good portion of the population to determine what happens to their own bodies.

A pro life freak would call you a murderer and dismiss your argument immediately.

And I would ask for justification for calling a woman who chooses to abort a murderer when they don't also say women who experience natural miscarriages are guilty of manslaughter.

My girlfriend's argument, for instance, is that from her perspective a fetus, being your future biological son

So... she'd be okay aborting daughters? Why does it matter if it's a son?

I'm going to carry on with this reply as though you had said "future biological offspring or child" since that's gender-neutral and doesn't bring in the issue of sex-selection abortion.

is more important than your whole life

I will be the judge of what most important in my life, not some random guy on an internet forum's girlfriend, thankyouverymuch. I'd be very pleased if you told her that. She does not get to make decisions for me. She gets to make decisions for herself.

she'd prefer dying from complications if it was a risky pregnancy than to have an abortion

And she is welcome to make that decision for herself. NOT for anyone else.

I think a big part of her reason is because she loves children, she wants to be a primary teacher or kindergarten worker, she can't cope with the act of aborting in it's essence

She can carry on loving kids and being a teacher and not infringing on the rights of other women to decide what happens to their own bodies. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

[Dystopia]

A pro life freak would call you a murderer and dismiss your argument immediately.

And I would ask for justification for calling a woman who chooses to abort a murderer when they don't also say women who experience natural miscarriages are guilty of manslaughter.

My girlfriend's argument, for instance, is that from her perspective a fetus, being your future biological son

So... she'd be okay aborting daughters? Why does it matter if it's a son?

I'm going to carry on with this reply as though you had said "future biological offspring or child" since that's gender-neutral and doesn't bring in the issue of sex-selection abortion.

is more important than your whole life

I will be the judge of what most important in my life, not some random guy on an internet forum's girlfriend, thankyouverymuch. I'd be very pleased if you told her that. She does not get to make decisions for me. She gets to make decisions for herself.

she'd prefer dying from complications if it was a risky pregnancy than to have an abortion

And she is welcome to make that decision for herself. NOT for anyone else.

I think a big part of her reason is because she loves children, she wants to be a primary teacher or kindergarten worker, she can't cope with the act of aborting in it's essence

She can carry on loving kids and being a teacher and not infringing on the rights of other women to decide what happens to their own bodies. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

And what do you want me to do? Force her to adopt my pro-choice view? That's not how it works. Abortion is probably the matter she is less likely to change her opinion.

And for the 'son' part, I meant children, I wasn't defining a gender, it was accidental.

With a little of talk maybe I can convince her otherwise, but it won't matter anyway, I don't have a problem with pro-life people because abortion is something that doesn't apply to me (I'm a male), so I don't care about it, I voted for a party that is against abortion because they proposed the best economical measures that benefit me more, you can call me selfish but I don't give a shit about people being pro-life. If they like embryos so much, I will let them like embryos, as long as they don't make me love embryos too.

[Ravenshire]

Do you eat meat by any chance?

But, but, but.... Gawd gived us dominnin ovr teh dum aminals!!!! An', he tuld us too bee fruutfull an' do that there times thingy!!!! So, tha's whut makes eatin' meet ok but killin' the unborned babbies bad!!!!!!!!