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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 12:07 pm
(July 7, 2014 at 11:51 am)Rhythm Wrote: ........um, no, check the user manual your language filter comes with. They did have every motivation. It was a high profile case with a very specific sort of claim. They knew they were going to face competent opposition. Their rights were - ostensibly- being infringed upon. They could save a few dimes if they won. The strength of their case translated directly to the strength of their overall groups opposition to the law. I'm sure I could go on and on.......but I'd say that's plenty of motivation to act, in fact - every motivation. They didn't act on any of it, they correctly judged that it wouldn't be necessary - it's either that...or their (presumably)very expensive lawyer is a rank fucking amateur in addition to their being hypocrites. So they had every motivation to act, but correctly judged that action wouldn't be necessary. Do you seriously not see the contradiction?
Quote:Christ man, we're all "jumping in" - it's a forum. I've also been "jumping in" prior to your comment and opining on their hypocrisy across two threads. Look, if you want to sound smart - red herrings, contradictions and such...l2fucking logic, firstly...and secondly, take the time to read through the damned thread.
If you want to jump in with me, don't be such a douchebag.
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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 12:23 pm
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(July 7, 2014 at 12:07 pm)alpha male Wrote: So they had every motivation to act, but correctly judged that action wouldn't be necessary. Do you seriously not see the contradiction? -in their behavior, not in my statement, again, check your user manual
Quote:If you want to jump in with me, don't be such a douchebag.
As long as you're clinging to scraps in my comments, as above, rather than addressing them....I see little motivation for me to change my approach. We're jumping in with each other, we each decide our own level of involvement. Claim the ground of this forum all you like - I'll simply dismiss it. Your perceived position in the conversation with regards to who's jumping in on whom is unimpressive to me. You've made your comments about my statements. I've addressed them.
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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm
(July 7, 2014 at 12:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You've made your comments about my statements. I'll avoid that mistake in the future. 
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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 12:54 pm
LOL, plus 1.
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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 1:00 pm
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(July 7, 2014 at 9:49 am)alpha male Wrote: Interesting - admission that the 401k/hypocrisy angle is a red herring.
Yes, because Hobby Lobby continues (remember kids, this was discovered in January) behavior that is supposedly counter to their "beliefs" when it makes them money, that has nothing to do with this lawsuit at all. Since you can't possibly be that stupid & still use an internet browser, I will have to ask you to please quit being disingenuous.
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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 1:03 pm
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A solution that recognizes the validity of the courts ruling while compelling the claimant to act in a manner which could be seen as "in good faith" to that ruling would allow for both viewpoints to find themselves under the same tent.
IOW, if we're going to be giving out handouts, lets set some requirements - like we do with everything else. If anyone wants to see the bible I have to pour over to get exemptions on this or that law or tax (501c3 and LLC, and the permutations and allowances with regards to interactions thereoff).....I'll pm it to you. Hell, you can google it if it interests you. I live in Kentucky, I decided to be a man and incorporate there (rather than shelter my llc's assets elsewhere). Local business, local profits - so I pay the local extortionists.
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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 1:30 pm
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One of the main reasons corporations exist is so that those who found the company, or invest in it, aren't personally responsible for the debts of the business they run, and in a lot of cases, crimes and legal violations that result from the business' operations. The whole point of incorporating is to separate the businessman from the business.
So, if businesses can adopt the "deeply-held" religious beliefs of its leadership, the compromise should be that the individuals comprising the leadership should be held personally responsible for the debts and criminal activity of their businesses.
Of course, that's not going to happen. The whole point is to allow religious individuals to operate above the laws everyone else has to follow.
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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm
(July 7, 2014 at 11:53 am)Rhythm Wrote: (July 7, 2014 at 11:27 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Some might find that significant too . . . Some might, but not the law, thankfully. Moments when any case in the US hinges on what "jesus" said are sad moments indeed.
Goes to motive. Jesus made me.
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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 1:46 pm
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To which juries have overwhelmingly (while being overwhelmingly christian, no less) replied : Rank bullshit.
I don't know why (or how), given the nature of the claim, but I'm glad that christers can summon up a little jurisprudence when it comes to their shared perversions.
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RE: SCOTUS Rules In Favor Of Hobby Lobby
July 7, 2014 at 1:46 pm
I have a copper IUD. I'm one giant walking abortion to these people.
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