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RE: Why Live a life?
July 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm
(July 17, 2014 at 6:13 am)intellectual atheist Wrote: I dont mean that i dont want to live.
You might want to consider more why that is.
(July 17, 2014 at 6:13 am)intellectual atheist Wrote: I mean why do we live? Whats the meaning of living. We are living for so long nothing has been changed.
History begs to differ.
(July 17, 2014 at 6:13 am)intellectual atheist Wrote: The world is certainly not being made better place to live when i last checked.
It might help to think in centuries instead of decades. 200 years ago, 90% of the world was what would be considered today extreme poverty. Today it's about 15%, and that's less than half what it was thirty years ago. It sucks to be an endangered species, but it's measurably better to be human than it was when I was born, even though we face issues of overpopulation, resource depletion, and climate change.
(July 17, 2014 at 6:13 am)intellectual atheist Wrote: We live for our friends, family ? then what they will also eventually die.
How does something being temporary reduce it's meaning? I wouldn't even bother to read a book or watch a movie if I knew it was going to go on forever. I don't see any reason to suppose that permanence has ANYTHING to do with meaning. Perhaps the opposite. I can't think of anything that would make my current life more meaningless than if it were just a prelude to a never-ending existence.
(July 17, 2014 at 6:13 am)intellectual atheist Wrote: If even if we become successful scientist or businessman then what? Why are we surviving, bound to natural selection and all those stuff.
We have places to be, people to meet, and things to do. Can't do any of that anymore when you're dead.
(July 17, 2014 at 6:13 am)intellectual atheist Wrote: Cockroaches and crocodiles are far more primitive than humans. Even now they are where they were 100 millions years ago. They are surviving as well.
But compared to us, they're on automatic. One cockroach's or crocodile's life is pretty much identical to any other's in the same circumstances. A quick and severe lobotomy can give you the same blissful lack of awareness of your finitude.
(July 17, 2014 at 6:13 am)intellectual atheist Wrote: We humans have just adapted to survive effectively. But why? Nothing will change if human population increase.
Things would still change, it's just that fewer of the changes would be good ones. If it's any consolation, middle-of-the road UN projections have the human population peaking around 2050 and declining very slowly for centuries thereafter. Our population on this planet won't double again, though it's doubled once already in my lifetime. Nearly all the population growth over the next 40 years will be happening in Africa and South America, but it won't last even there. Maybe 9 or 10 billion will still be more than our habitat can survive, but it's not going to get to 15 or 20 billion.
(July 17, 2014 at 6:13 am)intellectual atheist Wrote: The only reason I can come up with is human extinction or end of world due to overpopulation and over utilization of resource.
That doesn't seem to parse as a reason to survive. How about 'to make life as pleasant as I can for as long as I can for as many people as I can without infringing too much on my own enjoyment of life'. That would be a good reason to survive, woudn't it?
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RE: Why Live a life?
July 17, 2014 at 7:34 pm
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Why live a life?
Because we were born into it, no other reason.
If someone's doesn't want it, they can end it.
Then they're no worse off then before they were born.
Mission accomplished. No pain, no suffering, no questioning.
If life was meant to be sacred, nature would have devised something better than the law of the jungle.
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RE: Why Live a life?
July 17, 2014 at 10:44 pm
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(July 17, 2014 at 6:13 am)intellectual atheist Wrote: I dont mean that i dont want to live. I mean why do we live? Whats the meaning of living. We are living for so long nothing has been changed. The world is certainly not being made better place to live when i last checked.
We live for our friends, family ? then what they will also eventually die. If even if we become successful scientist or businessman then what? Why are we surviving, bound to natural selection and all those stuff.
Cockroaches and crocodiles are far more primitive than humans. Even now they are where they were 100 millions years ago. They are surviving as well.
We humans have just adapted to survive effectively. But why? Nothing will change if human population increase.
The only reason I can come up with is human extinction or end of world due to overpopulation and over utilization of resource.
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What I mean by that is, there is no one pre-existing set rulebook for life that governs every situation and can take care of every person's need. As atheists, we know that religion, the ultimate attempt to settle that question and mold peoples' opinions into preconceived answers, is no good. So the question that often gets asked of us is- where do you atheists go from there? If we aren't doing this to an imaginary dad in the sky:
surely our existence must be meaningless? Well of course not. So the answer in my opinion, is that we create our own rulebook for the most part. Sure we feel bound by society's laws (when they're logical) in order to (hopefully) live in reasonable harmony with other people, as well as social customs, mores, our own psychology...but I may derive happiness from volunteering while you may prefer skydiving, creating entertaining YouTube videos, whatever.
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RE: Why Live a life?
July 17, 2014 at 10:47 pm
I'm already alive. So the question is-- why bother to kill myself? What's the benefit of spending effort to achieve that goal?
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RE: Why Live a life?
July 17, 2014 at 10:56 pm
To better oneself.
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RE: Why Live a life?
July 18, 2014 at 12:03 am
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(July 17, 2014 at 10:47 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I'm already alive. So the question is-- why bother to kill myself? What's the benefit of spending effort to achieve that goal?
Can I tempt you with "No taxes or rent/mortgage". Pay .... Ever! Whooo hoooo
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RE: Why Live a life?
July 18, 2014 at 12:04 am
(July 18, 2014 at 12:03 am)ignoramus Wrote: (July 17, 2014 at 10:47 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I'm already alive. So the question is-- why bother to kill myself? What's the benefit of spending effort to achieve that goal?
Can I tempt you with "No taxes or rent/mortgage". Pay .... Ever! Whooo hoooo
If the Republicans have their way they'll find a way to tax you in the afterlife, unless you're rich and gave them campaign money during your mortal life. 
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RE: Why Live a life?
July 18, 2014 at 12:08 am
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(July 18, 2014 at 12:04 am)StealthySkeptic Wrote: (July 18, 2014 at 12:03 am)ignoramus Wrote: Can I tempt you with "No taxes or rent/mortgage". Pay .... Ever! Whooo hoooo
If the Republicans have their way they'll find a way to tax you in the afterlife, unless you're rich and gave them campaign money during your mortal life.
Isn't the Democrats who love to tax? I heard a lot of Americans whined because they found out their income taxes increased 10% this year without previous warning for the healthcare reform.
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RE: Why Live a life?
July 18, 2014 at 12:34 am
We live because life evolved to survive. We're hardwired to maintain our existence.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Why Live a life?
July 18, 2014 at 12:37 am
(July 18, 2014 at 12:34 am)Faith No More Wrote: We live because life evolved to survive. We're hardwired to maintain our existence.
True, but hardly inspiring. We get to make our own inspiration.
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