How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?

[Minimalist]

No, you think we think you're crazy. It's a start, at least.

No. He's right. I think he's crazy.

[ShaMan]

I have no proof that I'm "me" now

[KUSA]

I wonder if we will be ourselves when we get to Hell.

[Chad32]

I wonder if we will be ourselves when we get to Hell.

I don't know, but if we don't have bodies, I really don't think we'll be able to feel pain. There are conditions which prevent people from being able to feel pain, due to nerve damage or something else. Which should be possible if our souls are connected to our bodies. Of course it's hard to really tell what a soul is, how it's connected to us, and what it experiences, since we've never been able to study one.

[professor]

Shaman,
Got a mirror?

Ah, Esq, you make it easy. In our lifetime? Piece of cake....

Rapture (attributed to UFOs by the medias and govt.) /
Israel takes out Iranian nuke site.

Worldwide economic depression (Israel heavily blamed).

Islamics backed by Russia march against Israel with world opinion in agreement/
the attackers destroyed by acts of God (obvious to all).
The clear divine intervention on behalf of Israel sparks the last great Move of God before the 2nd Coming-
the Harvest with power in the lives of Christians, but with persecution. Like at the beginning.

At the same time, the 2 beasts of Revelation become fully possessed by fallen angels.
They begin to demand recognition of the first beast as the Jewish Messiah, Christian Christ, Muslim Mahdi, New Age Avatar, UFO appointee, etc.

Natural disasters increase. The Harvest increases.

The final war of the age begins within 7 years of the Catching Away (the Rapture).
As the first beast rallies his forces to take control of Jerusalem.
He meets opposition from the north and east.
These armies converge on a vast, natural battleground called the valley of Megiddo (Armageddon).
All these armies are destroyed at the 2nd. Coming.

The Restoration of all things begins.

No one has been given the timing.
We have the Bible, we get clues, words, visions, dreams, visitations.

We (who want to know) have been told over and over, who the AC is, we have the prophecies and numerical significances to the moon stacked up about him
- the mystery man who arose out of nowhere.

We have been told exactly who the False Prophet is, we have the prophecies of Malachi pegging him, and again, prophecies with numerical details involved.

We have a time reference in the Creation week / thousand year periods pointing to now.
The 120th Jubilee is looming (marking the end of 6000 yrs (man's lease that the devil obtained)

The elete have caused the entire world to be drunk with debt.
Not one country has anything but fiat currency. This is intentional.

A crisis is created out of which CHANGE is forged- standard Marxist sequence.

The book of Daniel says the fake messiah would seek to CHANGE the laws and times.
Didn't someone have a political platform of CHANGE?

Besides the increase in natural disasters (especially earthquakes) occurring on a larger scale this decade, two full pages of mass animal, fish and bird die-offs have been recorded in the last couple of years. Media silent.

Israel is defending itself against the insects living in the web of Iran.
Israel has no choice but to take out the spider.
Time is not on their side.

It is interesting that one of the verses speaking of the Rapture says,
the Day of the Lord would be preceeded by a "Falling away".
The word translated that way in the Greek means: Departure- like a ship leaving, and it is the word Aposticia (spell?).
When it comes to pass, both a falling away (apostasy-which we see all around- also noted in a prior post with regard to the entourage to beast #2) AND departure (from here) will have occurred.

Personally, I do not expect this to happen in a lifetime.
I expect it to come within a decade. Probably less.

[vorlon13]

I'm sure the folks in Hell having molten iron poured into their bodies cavities can feel it.

FOREVER.

That's the point, eternal torment.


Imagine being put in a giant blender, set on liquify, and you can feel it pureeing your being, FOREVER.

Imagine being devoured by rabid animals, and you're fully conscious, and it lasts FOREVER.

Imagine being boiled, upside down, so you are drowning too, in sewage, FOREVER.

Imagine being flattened by a 10,000 ton press, FOREVER.



And all that is in the 'nice ' part of Hell.

[CapnAwesome]

What version of heaven are we talking about exactly? I think there are too many to count.

[Chad32]

I was brought up on the kind where you get a mansion, streets of gold, and you worship the lord while always being happy.

[Violet]

Supposedly when you accept Yahweh/Allah/Jesus into your heart, he takes out all the parts he doesn't like, and the rest goes to be with him in heaven. Except that people are the sum of their parts. If you take away their life experiences, how can you say they will be themselves anymore? How is that different from having a lobotomy? You might say that it just removes the darker parts, but leaves the lighter parts, but the dark and the light are still parts of you. You just wouldn't be the same if you took out chunks of your life and thoughts and replace them with whatever another person finds more acceptable.

Not much would be left of me if I took out all of the dark parts, and left only the light parts.

Which isn't to say I didn't give a reasonable attempt at trying to do just that

Over time heaven has just felt less and less appealing to me. It may not make me as miserable as immediately as being tortured in hell, but even if it is really me up there, and I'm not some automaton who can only feel what god wants me to feel, then it will wear down until I want to leave just as badly.

'Torture' gets pretty 'meh' eventually. How can it be hell if it is not eternal? Silly... in hell you get exactly what you want. All of it... until it makes you sick.

That war within the self... THAT is the experience of hell. Heaven, is peace within the self, and the fastest road to peace is in... death.

Join me in Heaven, my friends... do not fear the reaper.

[vorlon13]

No kidding, I was stunned at the depiction of Hell in "The Devil in Miss Jones".

Cinder block walls ? Eternal abstinence ?


I remember my shock and surprise at the ending more than the rest of the movie.