How do you know you'll still be you when you get to heaven?

[John V]

It's not really voluntary if the only other choice is being tortured by fire for eternity. That's pretty much the definition of blackmail.

As plenty of atheists say that if god were proven real they would still reject him, yes, it's still voluntary.

[Esquilax]

In this case it's voluntary, not forcible, and I'd say it's up to the volunteer to decide what level of disclosure is adequate.

Will the volunteer's decision have any bearing on the what happens to them in heaven, or the amount of information they receive, or does everyone get the same nebulous treatment regardless?

[Cyberman]

As plenty of atheists say that if god were proven real they would still reject him, yes, it's still voluntary.

You're conflating the two stances, belief and worship. Yes, many atheists worthy of the appellation would, if asked, refuse to bend the knee and kiss the Yahweh arse, purely on the merits (or lack thereof) of the character as presented in the mythology. However, I doubt you'd find many atheists who'd continue to profess non-belief if the character's existence were proven beyond all reasonable doubt. And let's not forget, it's unbelief that is the one unforgivable 'sin', punished by hellfire and damnation and all the other excesses of the febrile mediaeval imagination.

[John V]

You're conflating the two stances, belief and worship. Yes, many atheists worthy of the appellation would, if asked, refuse to bend the knee and kiss the Yahweh arse, purely on the merits (or lack thereof) of the character as presented in the mythology. However, I doubt you'd find many atheists who'd continue to profess non-belief if the character's existence were proven beyond all reasonable doubt. And let's not forget, it's unbelief that is the one unforgivable 'sin', punished by hellfire and damnation and all the other excesses of the febrile mediaeval imagination.

Actually you're conflating belief in the existence of god with salvation. As James, says, the demons believe in the existence of god - and shudder.

[Cyberman]

I don't care about salvation; that's a stance you're projecting onto me.

Give me sufficient reasonable evidence to demonstrate the basic existence of a god and I will acknowledge that existence. Tell me I have to worship it merely becaiuse of that existence and I will tell you and the god you rode in on to go forth and multiply. Double if the god is Yahweh the Bloodyhanded.

[Thackerie]

You guys are nearly as comical as Red Green.
Of course you will still be you.
The essence of you is not the body you live in.

When Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus, it was the same Jesus who walked Jerusalem.
You think it will be something else for you?

Here's the difference- until the Resurrection, in Heaven, you live in a spirit body, you look like you are in your 20s (unless you are younger than that when you leave here).
Your memories of failure are gone and it is impossible to be sad.
The giftings you have naturally you get to fully use.
You live in joy unspeakable and full of glory.
You never want to leave.
You may as well get used to the idea- A lot of Heaven is coming here.

Nuh-uh. Sylvia Browne said everyone in heaven is 30 years old. Why should I take the word of a theist posting on an Internet forum above that of a psychic often seen on TV?

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... I realize you think I am crazy. ...

Maybe, but not necessarily crazy. Could just be a common, garden-variety lying attention whore/troll.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

It's not really voluntary if the only other choice is being tortured by fire for eternity. That's pretty much the definition of blackmail.

As plenty of atheists say that if god were proven real they would still reject him, yes, it's still voluntary.

Mainly because the god of the bible is a psychopathic megalomaniacal genocidal murderer with no integrity and seemingly, not much intelligence either.

[John V]

Mainly because the god of the bible is a psychopathic megalomaniacal genocidal murderer with no integrity and seemingly, not much intelligence either.

Doesn't matter why - the point stands that it's voluntary.

[Cyberman]

Completely.

[archangle]

Supposedly when you accept Yahweh/Allah/Jesus into your heart, he takes out all the parts he doesn't like, and the rest goes to be with him

yo yo, you changed.

That is right. To feel this overwhelming "joy", You have to know incomprehensible "saddness". But I do not think you can "be as you are now". Heck, I am not "even as I was" when I was 25. Even blood isnt the same as last year. on and on I could go.