Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?

[Rabb Allah]

Hundreds of dead Filistinians is a good idea to me. If you knew anything about how it works you would know that Filistinians arenot interested in getting their land back, it is about the sole destruction of the Jews and anybody who supports them. This has utterly nothing to do with land considering historically the land has been home to both and not until the Islamic conquests has this become an issue.
Jews are Jews and anything other than Muslim is not acceptable to Filistinians or others Muslims. All of them hate the Jews and even fucking Shias hate Jews regardless of them being unaffiliated to Sunniyah.
Hamas was put into power by Filistinians and they along with the other suffering Arabs think the Jews should be exterminated. ISIS is taking people out their own homes and killing them on the basis of their religion. They are attempting to wipe out Kurds and battle the Peshmerga. This has nothing to do with land, it is religion mixed into politics.

I only support the Jews because they have done me no harm and are only interested in self preservation. Let the Filistinians and Hamas die. You cannot end this battle peacefully. I would rather have the dead children of Filistinians on my hands than those of the Jews.

If only many of you guys tried reasoning with Muslims. You would find out that this situation is entirely pitiful and hopeless.

[Mudhammam]

Hundreds of dead Filistinians is a good idea to me. If you knew anything about how it works you would know that Filistinians arenot interested in getting their land back, it is about the sole destruction of the Jews and anybody who supports them. This has utterly nothing to do with land considering historically the land has been home to both and not until the Islamic conquests has this become an issue.
Jews are Jews and anything other than Muslim is not acceptable to Filistinians or others Muslims. All of them hate the Jews and even fucking Shias hate Jews regardless of them being unaffiliated to Sunniyah.
Hamas was put into power by Filistinians and they along with the other suffering Arabs think the Jews should be exterminated. ISIS is taking people out their own homes and killing them on the basis of their religion. They are attempting to wipe out Kurds and battle the Peshmerga. This has nothing to do with land, it is religion mixed into politics.

I only support the Jews because they have done me no harm and are only interested in self preservation. Let the Filistinians and Hamas die. You cannot end this battle peacefully. I would rather have the dead children of Filistinians on my hands than those of the Jews.

If only many of you guys tried reasoning with Muslims. You would find out that this situation is entirely pitiful and hopeless.

You are a dimwit. First off, Hamas is not ISIS, and Israel is not Iraq. Secondly, the fact that Hamas was democratically elected does not make Palestinian civilians individually responsible for Hamas' actions, nor does it render their deaths justified. Thirdly, the policies of Israel and her allies towards the Palestinians is largely to blame for the current Gaza crisis, their war crimes particularly egregious and responsible for inflaming hostilities and radicalization.

Yes, there are Muslims who advocate for the senseless slaughter of Jews (as there are Jews actually enacting the senseless slaughter of Muslims, and morons like you advocating for it), and to the extent they pose an imminent threat, they should be targeted with intelligence and precision to eliminate unnecessary civilian causalities. Of course, that's not what Israel has done.

[Rabb Allah]

Hundreds of dead Filistinians is a good idea to me. If you knew anything about how it works you would know that Filistinians arenot interested in getting their land back, it is about the sole destruction of the Jews and anybody who supports them. This has utterly nothing to do with land considering historically the land has been home to both and not until the Islamic conquests has this become an issue.
Jews are Jews and anything other than Muslim is not acceptable to Filistinians or others Muslims. All of them hate the Jews and even fucking Shias hate Jews regardless of them being unaffiliated to Sunniyah.
Hamas was put into power by Filistinians and they along with the other suffering Arabs think the Jews should be exterminated. ISIS is taking people out their own homes and killing them on the basis of their religion. They are attempting to wipe out Kurds and battle the Peshmerga. This has nothing to do with land, it is religion mixed into politics.

I only support the Jews because they have done me no harm and are only interested in self preservation. Let the Filistinians and Hamas die. You cannot end this battle peacefully. I would rather have the dead children of Filistinians on my hands than those of the Jews.

If only many of you guys tried reasoning with Muslims. You would find out that this situation is entirely pitiful and hopeless.

You are a dimwit. First off, Hamas is not ISIS, and Israel is not Iraq. Secondly, the fact that Hamas was democratically elected does not make Palestinian civilians individually responsible for Hamas' actions, nor does it render their deaths justified. Thirdly, the policies of Israel and her allies towards the Palestinians is largely to blame for the current Gaza crisis, their war crimes particularly egregious and responsible for inflaming hostilities and radicalization.

Yes, there are Muslims who advocate for the senseless slaughter of Jews (as there are Jews actually enacting the senseless slaughter of Muslims, and morons like you advocating for it), and to the extent they pose an imminent threat, they should be targeted with intelligence and precision to eliminate unnecessary civilian causalities. Of course, that's not what Israel has done.

No you are the dimwit. You are talking to a former Muslim who will understand this conflict better then you ever could. I never claimed ISIS and Hamas are linked. But they both share the exact same opinions on Jews as do most Muslims. You did not even read anything I said.

Conversation ended. When you pick up your brain call back.

[Mudhammam]

You are a dimwit. First off, Hamas is not ISIS, and Israel is not Iraq. Secondly, the fact that Hamas was democratically elected does not make Palestinian civilians individually responsible for Hamas' actions, nor does it render their deaths justified. Thirdly, the policies of Israel and her allies towards the Palestinians is largely to blame for the current Gaza crisis, their war crimes particularly egregious and responsible for inflaming hostilities and radicalization.

Yes, there are Muslims who advocate for the senseless slaughter of Jews (as there are Jews actually enacting the senseless slaughter of Muslims, and morons like you advocating for it), and to the extent they pose an imminent threat, they should be targeted with intelligence and precision to eliminate unnecessary civilian causalities. Of course, that's not what Israel has done.

No you are the dimwit. You are talking to a former Muslim who will understand this conflict better then you ever could. I never claimed ISIS and Hamas are linked. But they both share the exact same opinions on Jews as do most Muslims. You did not even read anything I said.

Conversation ended. When you pick up your brain call back.

[Brian37]

It is about land. And once the rich realize what the strategy is they convince the rest of society to kill for it.

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It should not be about Arab vs Jew, based on race or religion. It should be about the rich using common people to kill for them.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Assigning moral value based on sheer numbers ignores the fact that if Hamas had the same weapons, they'd likely try to rack up the same body count. In other words, in matters of intention, the two sides are equivalent; they differ only in efficacy, not morality.

Morality happens inside a man's head.

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You're dealing in hypotheticals, I'm dealing in actual body count, and yes, each addition compounds Israel's culpability and the rest of the world's righteous indignation.

No, I'm dealing in morality. There is no moral difference between the Israelis and Hamas. They each strive to kill as many of the other as possible, combatant or noncombatant.

Assigning objective quantifications to a subjective issue doesn't strike me as very useful. The implication of such a quantification of morality is that there is an acceptable number of innocent dead. I highly doubt someone as thoughtful as you seem to be would accede to that point; but it is implicit in your line of reasoning.

[Mudhammam]

You're dealing in hypotheticals, I'm dealing in actual body count, and yes, each addition compounds Israel's culpability and the rest of the world's righteous indignation.

No, I'm dealing in morality. There is no moral difference between the Israelis and Hamas. They each strive to kill as many of the other as possible, combatant or noncombatant.

Assigning objective quantifications to a subjective issue doesn't strike me as very useful. The implication of such a quantification of morality is that there is an acceptable number of innocent dead. I highly doubt someone as thoughtful as you seem to be would accede to that point; but it is implicit in your line of reasoning.

No, there is not a single acceptable number of dead. For every reason you can conceive why the murder of one innocent individual is morally atrocious, the scale on that side of the balance weighs double with each horrific casualty. The bottom line in a just war is preventing loss of innocent life as much as possible; that is where my point of view is coming from, in which I lay most of the blame on Israel, and that is arguably not a subjective issue.

[Zack]

If only many of you guys tried reasoning with Muslims. You would find out that this situation is entirely pitiful and hopeless.

How do you "reason" with a child hit by a 155mm round fired from an M109A5?

[The Grand Nudger]

It's pretty simple, they rarely disagree, and almost never argue when they do. If they pipe up - you hit em with another.

[Brian37]

If only many of you guys tried reasoning with Muslims. You would find out that this situation is entirely pitiful and hopeless.

How do you "reason" with a child hit by a 155mm round fired from an M109A5?

This is the problem with our species. Adults get so stuck on fucking labels and selling them to kids they fail to realize the long term divisions they sell to the next generation.