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The bitter tears of the American Christian supermajority
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RE: The bitter tears of the American Christian supermajority
(August 7, 2014 at 7:11 pm)Rob_W75 Wrote:
Quote:The most persecuted minority in the United States is not Muslims, African-Americans or immigrants. It’s our Christian supermajority that’s truly oppressed.

Verily, consider three anecdotes from the past few weeks.

On March 2, three Baptist ministers in Akron, Ohio, arranged for the local police to mock-arrest them in their churches and haul them away in handcuffs for the simple act of preaching their faith. A video was posted on YouTube to drum up buzz for an upcoming revival show. A few atheist blogs object to uniformed police taking part in a church publicity stunt, but far more people who saw the YouTube video (24,082 views), in Ohio and elsewhere, took this media stunt as reality — confirmation of their wildest fears about a government clampdown on Christianity.

On Feb. 26, Arizona’s conservative Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill that would have allowed businesses to refuse services to people who violate their sincerely held religious beliefs — for example, gays and lesbians. Fox News pundit Todd Starnes tweeted that Christians have been demoted to second-class citizenship in Arizona, an opinion widely shared on the right-wing Christian blogosphere, which sees Brewer’s veto as a harbinger of even greater persecution to come.

And the feature film “Persecuted,” a political thriller about a federal government plan to censor Christianity in the name of liberalism, is due out in May. Featuring former Sen. Fred Thompson and Fox News host Gretchen Carlson, the movie received a rapturous reception at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference on March 10 and is of a piece with other Christian films such as “God’s Not Dead,” about a freshman believer bullied into proving the existence of god by an atheist professor.

Needless to say (or maybe not) this news ticker of persecuted American Christians floats far and free from reality. More than 75 percent of the United States identifies as Christian; 57 percent believe in the devil, and nearly 8 in 10 Americans believe the Bible to be either the “inspired word” or literal word of God. Despite the constitutional separation of church and state, the government began under President George W. Bush to outsource social welfare programs to faith-based organizations (more than 98 percent, according to one 2006 study, of them Christian churches), and schools with religious ties (mostly Christian) in several states are now well fed by direct public subsidies. But then, American places of worship (again, most of them Christian) have long enjoyed a de facto public subsidy as tax-exempt 501©3 organizations funded by tax-deductible contributions. Last month President Barack Obama himself held forth at National Prayer Breakfast about the importance of Jesus in his life.

To be sure, there are Christians in the world who face persecution, from Copts in Egypt to Catholics in northern Nigeria. But in the U.S., the Christian faith and its institutions have never been more pampered by the state.

And yet the persecution complex of American Christianity blares its sirens, well beyond the surly hype about a “war on Christmas” that has become as much a part of the yuletide season as eggnog. Take the Catholic bishop of Peoria, Ill., Daniel R. Jenky, sermonizing in 2012 against the Affordable Care Act, blasting it as of a piece with governments that “have tried to force Christians to huddle and hide within the confines of their churches,” not skimping on comparisons to Stalinism and Nazism. Texas Gov. Rick Perry asserted that “Satan is attacking the great institutions of America” and vowed to “end Obama’s war on religion” during his 2012 presidential campaign. Another former presidential candidate, Mitt Romney also accused Obama of waging a war on religion. Right-wing Christians have even had the gall to conscript anti-Nazi Protestant martyr Dietrich Bonhoeffer to their cause, comparing his persecution to their hysterical simulacrum.

What accounts for this orgy of self-pity? Part of it is hard-wired into Christianity itself, says Candida Moss, a biblical scholar at Notre Dame University and the author of the recent book “The Myth of Christian Persecution: How Early Christians Invented a Story of Martyrdom.”

The persecution of Christians is the historical equivalent of a false memory, she argues. Early Christians were persecuted by Rome only sporadically, less for religious heterodoxy than for political insubordination in an empire that was draconian across the board. Early Christian writers Irenaeus, Justin Martyr and Tertullian chronicled such incidents as proof of the faith’s righteousness, laying a scriptural basis for a self-image of eternal persecution.

But it was Eusebius, bishop of Caesaria and the first important historian of the church, who “encoded the understanding of the church as persecuted into the history of Christianity itself.” His martyrdom stories and those of other fourth century hagiographers were written to shore up orthodoxy (writers used martyrs as sock puppets to denounce heretics) and drum up tourism for local shrines. These tales of persecution — full of blood, cruelty and dodgy “facts” — were enjoyed at the time, Moss writes, much in the way that modern audiences take in horror movies, and the lowbrow gore has long been justified by embarrassed exegetes as a response to the strain of persecution. Except, as Moss argues, the textual evidence indicates all these tales of persecution were composed after, not before, Christianity had become the favored religion of the Roman Empire in the early fourth century. In short, they belong to an invented tradition of victimization.

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#12
RE: The bitter tears of the American Christian supermajority
We know you are a jerk off, Drippy. You don't have to tell us.
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#13
RE: The bitter tears of the American Christian supermajority
You should really check out the trailer for this Christian movie Persecuted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vurFMz8bfNY
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(August 7, 2014 at 7:20 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Far far far more people have been persecuted (and killed) for not being Christian than for being Christian.

Really?
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RE: The bitter tears of the American Christian supermajority
Or at least the right type of xtian.
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RE: The bitter tears of the American Christian supermajority
(August 7, 2014 at 10:31 pm)Drich Wrote:
(August 7, 2014 at 7:11 pm)Rob_W75 Wrote: Full Article

Jerkoff

You're getting lazy in your old age, Drippy dearest. I thought for sure there would be something good at the end of the rainbow, but alas yet another pure disappointment. Do you then acknowledge the articles' accuracy and have nothing to say of your brethren's cowardly acts?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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(August 8, 2014 at 12:02 am)Undeceived Wrote:
(August 7, 2014 at 7:20 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Far far far more people have been persecuted (and killed) for not being Christian than for being Christian.

Really?

It seems so. The Holocaust and the Crusades and Inquisition come to mind. Stalin was awful to Christians, but largely ignored the ones who weren't political threats, so he wasn't actually killing them for being Christians, but for being in the way of him having total control.

Christians fare poorly in some Islamic states, and it's a tragedy, but I don't think they've caught up yet, body-count-wise. Which doesn't diminish the tragedy at all.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: The bitter tears of the American Christian supermajority
(August 7, 2014 at 10:31 pm)Drich Wrote: Jerkoff

It's good to see that you don't have anything cogent or meaningful today, and so have yet again resorted to snide, childish and vague mockery. Rolleyes

Come back when you have an actual argument. Is your position seriously that christians in America actually are persecuted worse than ones overseas, or is this another one of those things where you haven't actually read the article or thought about this at all, but you just gotta disagree with dem evil atheists?
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I'll give Drich the benefit of the doubt and agree with him: yes, Drich, your fellow believers are a bunch of pussified jack-offs. It's good to agree with you for a change.
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RE: The bitter tears of the American Christian supermajority
Christians are being persecuted? I don't have any doubts that Christians living in theocratic nations are persecuted as much as atheists, but to say they are persecuted in a first world civilized western country is just an irrational claim. A guy at my university did a thesis to get a masters on Law History, it was about the discrimination of Christians in Europe and the US, and while he made some points I agreed with, most of his work was about criticizing new atheism and atheists, the only reason he passed is because the director of the Law History master section is a former professor of mine who is also a Christian who hates atheists and gays, an Opus Dei member.

By persecution american Christians probably mean 'people advocating freedom from a theocratic form of government. Christians are just angry everyone is starting to let go old myths in favour of reason, enlightenment and critical thinking (This doesn't necessarily mean that everyone becomes an atheist, but at least most young people are agnostics), and so they start with these desperate unfounded accusations.

On a personal note, they can go shove the holy spirit up their asses, everytime there is a conflict between human rights and religion, human rights should prevail, no questions asked.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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