Why knocking is so important.

[Anomalocaris]

You sure that wasn't just a monkey hitting drippy's keyboard while drippy was preoccupied knocking something with his incredibly dense skull?

[Jenny A]

Look Drich,

You are saying look for god as the Bible suggests and you will find him. You are ignoring the fact that the Koran says look as the Koran says and you will find him. And the Book of Mormon says look as Joseph Smith says and you will find him. And Rudolf Hess said look for Hitler in you heart and you will find him. Hear with an open mind and you will hear the spirits knocking. All of these results are incompatible yet people find them when they go looking for them. And people who go looking for meaning come out of one door or the other at random. It's therefore not reality. Reality works the same way no matter who's doing the measurements.

If we rebooted tomorrow, science might have different names for things, but it would arrive in the same place. Religion wouldn't. How do I know? Because scientific fact is often discovered independently in several places. The scientists argue over who was first. Religion is different everywhere. And it changes without new data. They argue not over who was first, but who's inner truth is right.

You won't hear a nuclear physicist say it was revealed to me that E=MC2.

[Minimalist]

You sure that wasn't just a monkey hitting drippy's keyboard while drippy was preoccupied knocking something with his incredibly dense skull?

No. Can never be certain.

[ignoramus]

Look Drich,

You are saying look for god as the Bible suggests and you will find him. You are ignoring the fact that the Koran says look as the Koran says and you will find him. And the Book of Mormon says look as Joseph Smith says and you will find him. And Rudolf Hess said look for Hitler in you heart and you will find him. Hear with an open mind and you will hear the spirits knocking. All of these results are incompatible yet people find them when they go looking for them. And people who go looking for meaning come out of one door or the other at random. It's therefore not reality. Reality works the same way no matter who's doing the measurements.

If we rebooted tomorrow, science might have different names for things, but it would arrive in the same place. Religion wouldn't. How do I know? Because scientific fact is often discovered independently in several places. The scientists argue over who was first. Religion is different everywhere. And it changes without new data. They argue not over who was first, but who's inner truth is right.

You won't hear a nuclear physicist say it was revealed to me that E=MC2.

It's frustrating, isn't it Jen.
You say it in simple logical terms but it comes still not compute.
Maybe we need to argue using their logic?

"God is not real because he spoke to me and told me he's really a parasitic alien from another dimension who survives by absorbing our consciousness energy"

Is that really any more ridonculous than the "official" popular version.

[Drich]

[Minimalist]

Maybe before you declare victory next time, make sure I first concede the point.

Drippy, you get beaten like a rented mule every time you show up here and you are too stupid to understand that you come across as an asshole.

[ignoramus]

Drich, what about the many boys and girls here who were religious for most of their lives but aren't now. Did they find god?
Is it possible in your mind that someone can truly find god and still reject him?

Or will it be a case of the "no failure" clause in your argument by suggesting that maybe they didn't truly believe or aren't trying hard enough?
Just curious to hear "your" version of events.

[jesus_wept]

You seem to have a real problem answering questions and addressing points.


Again you've missed the point, and the text you quoted doesn't actually say what dark matter is... in the future it might be worth learning to comprehend the English language before posting, unless you actually want people to think you're an idiot who isnt worth arguing with?

I also notice your god was unable to answer the question so you have unintentionally proven my point, whether you like it or not.

Thanks for the laughs but I'm afraid I dont think much else needs to be said, so I shall simply bid you farewell and leave you to your delusion of being god's special little snowflake.

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I cant leave this thread without adding that every time I look at the thread title I think of this old joke.

Knock knock
"Who's there?"
"Jesus"
"What do you want?"
"To save you"
"What from?"
"From what I'm going to do to you if you dont let me in!"

Dark matter IS A THEORY!

Evidently you and your god did not know that. (Which btw satisfies your little challenge.) You proved this when you went irate, and failed to understand what you were actually asking for.


Maybe you ment to ask for me and the God of the bible to give you the chemical composition of the material that the theory of dark matter covers. Rather than ask "what it is.. " Because what 'dark matter is' according to out smartest people is just a theory that my definition covered.
So..
Who don't know no English now?

Oh my dear lord, are you really this stupid? Or do you just think everyone else is stupid?

I'm going to go with you being stupid because most people would've given up after 21 pages of being told they're wrong and deluded, but not old drippy....

[pocaracas]

Drich "knows" he's right, because he was once in shit and then prayed and heard voices and his life got back on its feet, based on those voices (and lots of luck).

What he can't acknowledge is that his luck was just that, a fortunate series of events leading to a positive outcome for himself. Instead, he attributes that to some godly intervention.
I can't say that the introspection brought upon through prayer didn't play a role there... it must have.
But that's not the same as an actual god imparting wisdom or ability into Drich.
And he'll never see it that way, because he's convinced himself that it was an actual god that not only imparted that ability in him, it also made all the lucky breaks in his life happen up to his current status.


Also, being a part of a particular social group (in this case, a particular church) also helps with the so-important networking and acquisition of contacts to expand a business. And other people in that group trust you, hear you talk about what you're doing and what you need, talk about you to others who may require your services and "luck" happens.

Still, no god required, but belief in god is (for that particular group).

Many a business is conducted just outside church.
It worked for Drich... will definitely work for many other people. It doesn't make any god any more real. But it sure helps to think it is real.

[Tonus]

Or maybe when we are in need we meet the requirements of humility needed to finally hear God.

Desperation is not humility. If finding god depends in any way on our emotional state, then it's inherently an unreliable way to find him.