Why knocking is so important.

[Drich]

"You have to believe in order to see" is some pretty good horseshit there, Bubba.

Ah, no.

[Ravenshire]

You know, Drich. Back when I was still trying to believe the bullshit I got down on my knees and fucking begged for a sign.

Got crickets.

Your a/s/k bullshit works just fine for people who already harbor belief. For people who've realized it's all bullshit, not so much. You trolling a/s/k isn't going to change anything. It pure bullshit, just like the rest of that book of voodoo you cling to so desperately.

How do you know your atheism is not apart of the answer to your prayer?

Actually, I'm certain it's apart from prayer.

Seriously though, you're gonna go with this...

"Young GalacticBusDriver there is actively seeking me out. So, I'm going to set him on the path to committing the one sin I have deemed unforgivable. And he shall commit that sin over and over again..."

Really? That's where you want to go? To a "just, loving gawd" that wants one of it's creations condemned to hell forever?!?

That's quite some gawd you believe in Drich.

[Cyberman]

"You have to believe in order to see" is some pretty good horseshit there, Bubba.

Ah, no.

Ah, yes.

[Thumpalumpacus]

"You have to believe in order to see" is some pretty good horseshit there, Bubba.

Ah, no.

[Drich]

Well, then I'd show you a picture of him, autographed by him, or I'd show you film footage of him opening up a new restaurant, or were he still alive, we'd jump on a plane and go shake his hand.

i picked col sanders as an example for two reasons. Fat and faithless avatar is of col with a different head, and because he has been dead long enough that most of us were not alive when he was.

Kinda like Jesus, you know... The Son of God... So everything you can say about the col. I can say about Christ.

Let us know when you can supply that sort of evidence for your little god-thingy.

uh, don't look now but I have like 3 or 4 times. starting with fat and faithless and again and again to everyone else who has brought this up. Do you not read any other posts except your own?

So you don't have to try to do better? What kind of milquetoast redemption is that? When I was a believer, I was a Southern Baptist. We not only had to ask forgiveness each night, we also had to try better to avoid the same sin.

What a shame, that you should take your god's desires so lightly that you presume you'll be forgiven. Better to not commit the sin in the first place, don'tcha think?

pride of life is the sin sport. Pride in God is not. I take great pride as Paul does and I am glad to boast when the wisdom of God beats out the philosophies of man.

It's apparently escaped your notice that I didn't post it, I only quoted a Christian who had. And my comment about his winning the horseshit sweepstakes is explanation enough.

Then why quote [/quote]it?

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Keep reading that muliti post I did last night your answer is in there.

I did read it. The fact that I'm asking this is because the answer was not there... maybe you think it is, but it is not.
At most, you have this:

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Not true. When asked i pointed to spiritual fruit as out lined in gal 5, and spiritual gifts found in 1cor 12. These are all external points that can be tested.

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And this sort of thing only shows that it is a well known phenomenon. The interpretation of that phenomenon is arbitrary. The bible attributes it to some god. Freud will probably attribute it to your penis...
This might be worth the hours:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-century-of-the-self/

One of my main points is that A/S/K is a methodology that we apply to anything we really want. the first 10 or so pages of this discussion centered around that fact.

Anything we really want?
Indeed, it's a way to self-delusion... BIG-LIE style.


Also, borrowing from all this talk of your past experiences... have you mentioned how your brain is completely fried from all the drug use? Have you considered that most of those experiences (The angel one which knew things practically only you would know) could have been a side-effect of the drugs that were still in your system? Hallucination is common under these circumstances.
Your brain, even damaged, is a very powerful and very complex machine. Before you attribute anything to some outside entity, you must first make sure it's not coming from within! And that seems to be a step you're missing completely!

That said, it is true that, on some occasions, believing in some form of higher power does have beneficial effects on the person. It has made you turn from drug addict to a successful business man, right?
That doesn't mean that any god had anything to do with it, but your own inner belief in said god did play a role. Good for you. I'm glad it helped you. It may (and actually does) help many others in the world.
But it is a phenomenon that cannot apply to those who have no belief in such higher power. These people must find some other way to pick themselves up mentally and straighten their lives.
Some people, even believing in the higher power, will never manage to get back up.
Some people (like most atheists here) have no real need of such psychological crutches. We're already fine with our lives, no belief in any god required, ever.

For some reason, it seems you are incapable of thinking about it like this. This must sound foreign to you, or nonsensical.
Tell me, can you honestly say you've considered the possibility that a lot of the extraordinary phenomena you think happened to you may have been a product of your own mind, your own wishful thinking, your own imagination, your own hallucination, your own projection?

If you can not find your answer directly addressed in the multi is I referenced then we are at an impasse, and can not move forward. Because I know what I wrote, and. I know you say you can't see it. So for me to spend a ton of time trying to make the blind see something is beyond the gifts I have been given. Sorry pro carrots, their is nothing more I can do for you.

[Baqal]

uh, don't look now but I have like 3 or 4 times.;) starting with fat and faithless and again and again to everyone else who has brought this up. Do you not read any other posts except your own?

I'm going to ask you this:
What is your standard of evidence? What do you need in order to be convinced in the truth of something?

[Lucanus]

[Anomalocaris]

uh, don't look now but I have like 3 or 4 times. starting with fat and faithless and again and again to everyone else who has brought this up. Do you not read any other posts except your own?

I'm going to ask you this:
What is your standard of evidence? What do you need in order to be convinced in the truth of something?

It's not polite to talk over someone's head.

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I suspect drippy wants to be a preacher, but is blissfully unaware the most preachers down the ages were far smarter than he, and created the cult of Jesus to lead idiots like him by the nose and fleece them like the sheep they were told to be.

It takes more than hollow arrogance and paper thin condescension to be a real successful preacher, drippy, it takes an awareness that you are talking bullshit to people dumber than you. There are no people dumber than you, drippy, it's a nonstarter.

[Elskidor]

You can ask your dead cat or a random tree in the forest to show you a sign, and by golly something is bound to happen in your life that you can credit the dead cat or random tree with. The whole ask and you shall receive is absolutely bogus.

I did a love spell when I was 15 and got a girlfriend that month. Praise the goddess? She did it! I did another love spell when I was 16 and got nothing. She just wasn't listening that time I guess.

[pocaracas]

If you can not find your answer directly addressed in the multi is I referenced then we are at an impasse, and can not move forward. Because I know what I wrote, and. I know you say you can't see it. So for me to spend a ton of time trying to make the blind see something is beyond the gifts I have been given. Sorry pro carrots, their is nothing more I can do for you.

I'm going to tell you a secret about this forum. Listen carefully, this is a very old secret, very well kept. Only a few mods are aware of it... and a few users.
The admins make it sound like wooo and magic, but I can see through the smoke and mirrors and I'll tell you this secret straight as it is.
- On each post, on the top right part there is a number, something like "Post: #123". If you hover your mouse cursor over this number, but only the number part, the normal arrowhead cursor becomes a hand pointing a finger (if you use the standard mouse icons). This hand means that the number is a link. A link to where, you may ask... That is the secret. It is a link to that very post. That's why it doesn't look like it does anything when you click it.... you're already there!
Now that you know this secret, you can go back to where you explained how you rationally dismiss a natural explanation for your experiences in favor of your favorite holy book's explanation. Once there, you can right-click (this works on most browsers) on that link hidden in the number and select the "copy link location" or whatever text performs this action.
Then, simply paste that link on the reply field and click "Post Reply". You don't even need to wrap it in url tags (although the mods may disagree with me), since I use a linkify add-on on Firefox which converts any textual link into a fully qualified link.