Ferguson: too much or not enough?

[Mudhammam]

That's because they have the same bosses, even "liberal" MSNBC.

Fox Noise is just a lot less subtle.

It's gonna sound bizarre, but I usually get my news from Reddit or other community-driven sites, because links to original sources are usually very available and the people discussing the issues don't put on a bullshit-fake air of 'fair and balanced', and instead say exactly what they mean.

Exactly. EVERYTHING, or just about, that you hear out of a national politician or talking head, is spin.

[Minimalist]

That's why I go to Raw Story. They'll make commentary but they always give the original source.

[Drich]

The police force has the firepower to start a war, and they're also preventing reporters from attempting to do their jobs.

Wars can only be fought when two armies oppose one another.

[Polaris]

I'll bite, even though you never respond to the weightier posts I put up.

I get there are a lot of angry people and rightly so if the news is accurate. But even if this one man was wronged and life cut short is the looting and riots they way to Handel this wrong?

An uprising is needed, yes!

On the otherside is the police response too strong? Or is this show of force what is needed to contain the situation?

Do you mean the situation where people are exercising their right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

So peaceful...

[Drich]

How do we know the police side of things? All the news has reported on was what the community's pov was.

Kinda hard to report on the police's side of the story when they close ranks and attempt to obstruct the media by hook or by crook, isn't it?

The media doesn't have the public's best interest in the forefront rather the opposite is true. With treyvon it seem they were down here trying to start trouble, but here the locals wanted nothing to do with it.

The media is akin to those who ensight Linch mobs back In The day. In a situation like this I am sure the officer in question (right wrong whatever) family had nothing to do with what this man did. One of the things the pd has to do is round up his guys who family and place them in a secure location, (or at least put a plan into place to look after them) because the media doesn't care about what is right or wrong here. They want a juicy story and they will sell anyone out to get it.

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Since Dritch quite obviously hasn't bothered to find out any info about what's going on in Ferguson past what Fox News has spoon fed him, I'm just going to leave this here:

1.) Washington Post & Huffington Post journalists have been arrested.


2.) Al-Jazeera news vans have been fired upon with tear-gas & rubber bullets.



Police dismantling Al-Jazeera news gear.


3.) There are eye-witness reports that the police are removing their badges to avoid being ID'd.

4.) A city alderman got caught up in a police sweep.

5.) A state senator was tear-gassed during a non-violent protest.

6.) Anonymous has dug up the police dispatch calls on the afternoon of Brown's murder. It's very telling that the cop who called in for police back-up never mentioned that he was assaulted or the shooting. Also, Brown laid on the ground for 4 hours before EMS was called in.

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I don't think the police can have any legitimacy when they've arrested reporters looking to get coverage of the protests/riots whatever and indeed fired on a news crew who were setting up their equipment from their van.

Exactly. A governor doesn't stand down an entire police department for handing out candy. We are going to see hundred of civil rights lawsuits resulting from this, most with video evidence. It will probably bankrupt St. Louis county.

Also, just as a reminder, even if the police account is 100% true (& it's not) it's still a fairly cut & dry case of 2nd degree murder.

So?

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The acts in of themselves tell nothing what is the context?

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Since Dritch quite obviously hasn't bothered to find out any info about what's going on in Ferguson past what Fox News has spoon fed him, I'm just going to leave this here:

Yes, because all of the following gives people an excuse to go looting...

I don't think, to be fair to Drich he's tried to justify anything the police have been doing in this incident. He's merely saying rioting and looting isn't the way to respond. He's absolutely right. How is rioting solving anything? How is stealing from local business owners getting back at the police/government?

I simply asked a question. I have also pointed out what the stated reason was for with holding the officers name.

I also said I would like to hear both sides of the story. We have only hear one side.

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Still, I don't think it's fair to have a go at Drich for simply asking the questions he did, he didn't justify what the police were doing.

Maybe, but the questions he was asking were predicated by the false narrative that the looting is ongoing & the peaceful protesters & journalists that the police attacked were rioting. If that wasn't what he was leading into, then I will gladly apologize for the snark.

Please cut and paste what I said to create this false narrative.

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Some interesting statistics regarding the Ferguson PD from Reason.com.



Granted the city is 2/3rds African-american but still, this ain't their 1st rodeo.

So, your pointing out that the majority of the local population commits the majority of the crime, and is involved in most of the suspicious behavior that leads to an arrest?

I thought you were against the police here.

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What are your thoughts on the police reaction or the reaction of the people?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael...ri-n180166

I work and live near sanford Fl where treyvon Martin was shot and killed. And I saw a huge contrast between what everyday people who lived in sanford verses what the news reported. (A lot of the protesters where shipped/bussed in) To me it seemed a lot of the anger and hate put on tv was not what the community felt. A lot of the black people I spoke with in the area thought treyvon got what he deserved, and if they were in zimmerman's place they would have shot him as well.

I get there are a lot of angry people and rightly so if the news is accurate. But even if this one man was wronged and life cut short is the looting and riots they way to Handel this wrong?

On the otherside is the police response too strong? Or is this show of force what is needed to contain the situation?

I suppose if the immediate black community in Montegomery didn't feel like sticking up for Rosa Parks, then You would think the entire civil rights movement would no longer have a leg to stand on.

Not very typical of many Christians back then, but I suppose quite typical of the evangelical sprouter of the prosperity gospel today.

How much looting went on in the name of Rosa Parks? How many death threats did the bus driver get? Was his family ever in danger? Did rosa beat the bus driver and get shot running away?

Can you seriously not see the difference between the honorable actions of the non violent black protests/protesters the Dr.MLK lead and supported and the crap that is going on now pretending to be of the same honorable nature?

[Drich]

Apparently Mike Brown, or someone the same size & wearing the same clothes as him robbed a convenience store a short time before he was shot.

While a grey shirt, khaki shorts & a St. Louis hat is probably fairly common clothing for that area, the striped socks kinda stand out.

So it looks like Officer Darren Wilson had the right guy, but decided to murder him instead of arresting him. Something about this still smells though. Why did the 2nd suspect (Darian Johnson?) not get arrested or even interviewed? Why did it take a week to produce this video evidence?

I see you failed to mention the struggled between Mike and Darren. When a man with quick fists meets and strikes a man with a gun, the man with the gun generally makes quick work of the man with the fists..

Cop, no cop, a bully, is a bully, is a bully. What unchecked bullies often fail to understand, is their is always someone out there who is more aggressive than they are and is willing to meet force with force and quickly escalate, faster than what the one who uses his first to get is way can manage.

Who goes into a store and pushes some old man or woman around for a box of swisher sweets? Then who hits/beats a cop afterward as if the cop is in the wrong here?

Looking back does the guy with the very poor judgement deserve to die because he maybe woke up on the wrong side of the bed and didn't have money for his smokes? Probably not. But again we do not have the full story yet.

Look at how your arguement has changed from before you know mike brown was a robbery suspect to now... How much more would it change is the officer is able to reveal some more evidence that shows mike to be more than some poor honor student who was to start collage that was wrongly profiled.

[Esquilax]

The media doesn't have the public's best interest in the forefront rather the opposite is true. With treyvon it seem they were down here trying to start trouble, but here the locals wanted nothing to do with it.

Not a sufficient reason to fire tear gas at a media outlet just trying to set up their camera, sorry.

Besides, you're talking about sensationalism and I'm talking about the seemingly concerted effort from the police down there to make it difficult for any information about what's going on to get out. Those are two different things, and when you have cops arresting journalists for no reason and attempting to shut down attempts to film, I'd suggest the latter is a more pressing concern than the former.

How much looting went on in the name of Rosa Parks? How many death threats did the bus driver get? Was his family ever in danger? Did rosa beat the bus driver and get shot running away?

Can you seriously not see the difference between the honorable actions of the non violent black protests/protesters the Dr.MLK lead and supported and the crap that is going on now pretending to be of the same honorable nature?

As far as I know, it's been a few days since the looting in Ferguson, and... we still have police brutality going down.

Look at how your arguement has changed from before you know mike brown was a robbery suspect to now... How much more would it change is the officer is able to reveal some more evidence that shows mike to be more than some poor honor student who was to start collage that was wrongly profiled.

This line is really weird. Of course the argument is going to change as we learn new things... would you prefer that not to happen? Do you want us to stick with wrong things in the face of better evidence?

Edited to add: Oh, and by the way? On the "he was a robbery suspect" front? The officer that killed him wasn't aware of that at the time he pulled the trigger. The chief of police admits that, so it has no bearing on the incident in question.

[Jaysyn]

So, your pointing out that the majority of the local population commits the majority of the crime, and is involved in most of the suspicious behavior that leads to an arrest?

Statistics Fail. Here is a hint, look at the disparity index, dumbass.

[Brian37]

I'll bite, even though you never respond to the weightier posts I put up.
An uprising is needed, yes!
Do you mean the situation where people are exercising their right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

So peaceful...

So if a few white people are members of the KKK that makes all white people members of the KKK?

There were far more black people in Ferguson who did not riot or loot.

Who gives a fuck about the majority of peaceful people as long as we paint everyone in one lump.

[Polaris]

So peaceful...

So if a few white people are members of the KKK that makes all white people members of the KKK?

There were far more black people in Ferguson who did not riot or loot.

Who gives a fuck about the majority of peaceful people as long as we paint everyone in one lump.

Why do you even have to point out "black people?" It's multiple races who are protesting.