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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 9:53 am
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Ok let me make myself clearer, some part of beauty can be objective, not all. Maybe you guys aren't ugly at all. Let's take the example of someone with a 20cm nose and a tiny mouth, not a lot of chances would be given to the poor fellow.
And yeah I know Bieber would probably win, but if we asked that to musicians and music critics, guess who wouldn't win at all? 
I love music even though I'm not a musician, and I think there is some necessary objective aspects to music, without them it isn't really music but just an imitation.
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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:00 am
Several friends and myself went through an art museum a few years ago. Probably wasn't my first choice of activity, but I enjoy their company and didn't make a fuss.
I really enjoyed the experience. Some items may not have had the artists' desired effect upon me (the 3 shop vacs in clear acrylic with harsh fluorescent lighting springs to mind) but many pieces showed a perspective I found creative. Use of color, or just a simple trick of scale was sometimes all it took for something to become memorable.
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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:03 am
(August 16, 2014 at 4:37 am)Tobie Wrote: Art is definitely subjective. One man's art is another man's toilet paper.
You make art sound as if it is no better than religion.
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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
Checked and the shop vac piece is called:
New Shelton Wet/Dry Triple Decker
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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
(August 16, 2014 at 9:53 am)Blackout Wrote: Ok let me make myself clearer, some part of beauty can be objective, not all. Maybe you guys aren't ugly at all. Let's take the example of someone with a 20cm nose and a tiny mouth, not a lot of chances would be given to the poor fellow. Beauty is entirely subjective. A sense of beauty can also be developed on emotional experience. That is the number one reason a lot of children find their mothers to be beautiful. Maybe some girls like men with big noses and small mouths. How would you know?
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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am
(August 16, 2014 at 9:21 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (August 16, 2014 at 9:18 am)Baqal Wrote: Let me rephrase that for you.
"If beauty can be subjective too, then how come I have never seen 'ugly' people date gorgeous ones?"
You're welcome.
Many gorgeous girls have gone out with ugly men, I think it's something to do with low self esteem.
And occasionally, money.
And even more rarely, depth.
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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:15 am
(August 16, 2014 at 10:04 am)Baqal Wrote: (August 16, 2014 at 9:53 am)Blackout Wrote: Ok let me make myself clearer, some part of beauty can be objective, not all. Maybe you guys aren't ugly at all. Let's take the example of someone with a 20cm nose and a tiny mouth, not a lot of chances would be given to the poor fellow. Beauty is entirely subjective. A sense of beauty can also be developed on emotional experience. That is the number one reason a lot of children find their mothers to be beautiful. Maybe some girls like men with big noses and small mouths. How would you know?
I don't doubt that, but a minority judgement doesn't erase the general rule, that's where I draw the line.
My ex-girlfriend wanted to be a fashion designer, and she said physical beauty can be measured scientifically by facial symmetry and overall biological attractiveness, it doesn't mean a minority won't disagree, but the general rule is still there. Let me ask you a question, if beauty is entirely subjective then why do only a few people match the standards to become models?
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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:23 am
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(August 16, 2014 at 10:15 am)Blackout Wrote: Let me ask you a question, if beauty is entirely subjective then why do only a few people match the standards to become models? What standards are we talking about here?
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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:26 am
(August 16, 2014 at 10:23 am)Baqal Wrote: (August 16, 2014 at 10:15 am)Blackout Wrote: Let me ask you a question, if beauty is entirely subjective then why do only a few people match the standards to become models? What standards are we talking about here?
Physical beauty standards. If beauty is subjective, then why do fashion designers only chose people with certain facial and physical features? Do you really think I could become a model if I was, let's say, ultra short, had a gigantic belly and my nose was un-proportional to the rest of my face?
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RE: Is art subjective?
August 16, 2014 at 10:34 am
(August 16, 2014 at 10:26 am)Blackout Wrote: Physical beauty standards. If beauty is subjective, then why do fashion designers only chose people with certain facial and physical features? Do you really think I could become a model if I was, let's say, ultra short, had a gigantic belly and my nose was un-proportional to the rest of my face? It would entirely depend on location.
And you seem to be talking about the western standard of beauty, which seems to be more and more present around the world.
Do you think overweight women are ugly? Mauritanian and Nigerian people will not agree with you. Do you think women with long necks are ugly? The Pa Dong will not agree with you. Do you think scarred women are ugly? The Ethiopians will not agree with you.
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