Brown and the word "robbery".....

[ShaMan]

The use of the word "robbery" is bullshit. I have seen bar fights and fights as a teen between white people, where police show up and no one dies. I worked at a 7-11 and saw WHITE PEOPLE shoplift. One WHITE GUY stole several cartons of cigarettes and got physical with our store manager while trying to escape.

I did stupid shit when I was a teen myself. I drank beer, smoked pot, and even in college saw plenty of physical confrontations and no one died. I even stupidly smashed private property for fun. If I had been caught I would have deserved to be punished but death?

No matter what you saw on that tape, it still does not justify shooting an unarmed person after they put their hands up That was shoplifting, and that shove, if done by a white person, wouldn't have even been called felony assault.

The fact remains that blacks on average will be judged more harshly for the same similar actions than whites. I have seen far worse done by whites than what you see on that video.

Now here is the truth, if we as a collective society don't want it to be about race, then we as a society should fact it is a race issue. There is a disparity in how minorities are economically impacted and viewed by law enforcement . Blacks do have to worry about being black in public. If anyone thinks they only have themselves to blame they are assholes and are ignoring our nation's history of institutionalized deep seeded bigotry.

Race is where republicans, and the rich want the conversation to be. It is also where the gun industry wants the conversation to be. Maintain the economic disparity between the top and bottom, you can gett hurting white and poor republicans to point the finger at blacks instead of pointing it at the right enemy, greedy assholes pitting us against each other.

Like I have said, as a teen and young adult, seeing my white friends do far worse, to know that this video is bullshit and is merely race baiting and still would not excuse the cop from murdering an unarmed teen.

Now the other aspect of this is, if you rightfully recoil at the overly armed police AND I AGREE, that is also a product of big industry writing law for us so they do what they want regardless of how it harms the rest of us. You cannot have it both ways. You cant have a free for all market where the public is armed to the teeth then stupidly expect law enforcement not to be able to be safe. If they have to constantly fear an armed society, they are going to be trained to fear the worst and assume the worst. If we do not want that then we have to consider ourselves the AMOUNT of guns floating around.

I am sick of people blaming blacks and even any poor person in general. I am sick of republicans and libertarians and Ayn Rand assholes claiming that "get government out of the way" helps. None of our social ills can be fixed by allowing one class of people write laws while blaming everyone else for the flood of money they pump into politics to pit working people against each other.

I am also tired of quoting RICH people and companies that AGREE WITH ME. The bottom line is that this kid did not deserve to die. The only way to take race out of the issue is to fight the real enemy, economic disparity, and that is affecting more and more white middle class and white poor people as well.

(bold mind)

The only way to take race out of the issue.....

...Is to stop making it about race.

I'm more convinced, day by day, that the ones who constantly call out another's race, and make race an issue, are in fact the ones who are indeed racist.

Do you have anything to say about red people?

[Brian37]

Again, as a teen and a young adult, I have seen assaults at parties and frat parties, and bars where police show up and even with that no one dies.

[Brakeman]

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The vast majority of urban poor who are non violent still outweigh violent people. Idiots like you look at the looting and burning of the one gas station, ignoring the majority of peaceful protesters and ignoring the video OF BLACK PEOPLE protecting the same gas station where the video of the shoplifting took place from looting. ..

Would white people need to protect a gas station after a black cop killed a white perp?

I have not seen the video's of any black people trying to protect a gas station. A link would be nice. I'm not doubting your claim at all, but I haven't yet seen any of that. If this is true, why wouldn't the looters heed the good neighbors? Why don't the looters have empathy and know that it is wrong to steal and hurt innocent people? But for most whites in my neighborhood, we would succeed in protecting the store because we would shoot the criminals even if they were so lilly white that you had to wear shades.

I have worked low pay jobs all my life, I was a teen myself and did all sorts of stupid shit, seen all sorts of assaults by whites, witness vandalism by whites, and not once did I see a white person get shot, or even assaulted by cops even when they were called over physical assault.

So were you indignant that the whites were shown favoritism and not given the appropriate harsh treatment, or are you claiming that it is better for society that criminals should be respected and black criminals should get the same amount of respect that white criminals do?


On a side note, why have you worked low pay jobs all of your life? Have you been unwilling to put in the effort to learn a skill?

[Brian37]

Holy fuck, you are not going to understand a fucking thing about this case, or any other shooting of unarmed blacks until you get the bigger picture which is deep and long term and goes way back in history long before this.

[Brakeman]

Personally, I think the greatest violence against blacks that is perpetuated by whites is the poverty caused by the dangling of sports figures in front of young black boys' eyes. A disproportionate amount of black children aspire for the sports and entertainment fields that are unable to accommodate their number instead of business and science. White coaches and school teachers are the one's condemning so many black kids to poverty by not engaging the children into more productive endeavors than playing, while the rich whites tap their feet.

It is not that a random black thug is finished off after attacking a cop.

[Brian37]

OH MY FUCKING GOD! No it is not about sports figures. Whites get sold utopia crap too, from being pro baseball players to pro football players, to the next rich guy, to becoming famous rock or pop stars. You are looking for excuses to blame blacks for what rich people sell everyone.

You'd be the idiot blaming rap music when I listen to Metallica and Meggadeath which had songs about death and violence too.

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Running
On our way hiding
You'll be dying
A thousand deaths.

Not from a rap song FYI

[ShaMan]

OH MY FUCKING GOD!

[Brian37]

"I shot the sheriff but I didn't shoot the deputy" ALSO not from a rap song.

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OH MY FUCKING GOD!

No sorry, I will .not calm down. This is a real problem that I have seen directly affect my friends and co workers, and anyone making lite of the fact that blacks are treated much more harshly in America by cops is a real issue.

[ShaMan]

No sorry, I will .not calm down. This is a real problem that I have seen directly affect my friends and co workers, and anyone making lite of the fact that blacks are treated much more harshly in America by cops is a real issue.

If anyone has a 'right' to be upset it's native people. I'm not shouting or becoming angry about the racial injustice perpetrated against my family and our ancestors (which still continues). I've learned that discussions are generally more productive when emotions are kept in check. Feel free to ignore my sage advice as your thread unravels into one giant 'woe-is-me' rant on your part.

[Brakeman]

OH MY FUCKING GOD! No it is not about sports figures. Whites get sold utopia crap too, from being pro baseball players to pro football players, to the next rich guy, to becoming famous rock or pop stars. You are looking for excuses to blame blacks for what rich people sell everyone.

You have a serious reading comprehension problem. I was blaming white teachers and coaches that make racial assumptions about black kids.

You seem quick to defend the sports and entertainment dangling. May I ask what your aspiration was when you were growing up? Was it to work at low paying jobs or was it to be in sports and entertainment?

If you claim that the Sports and entertainment fields are not false pathways to success for the black communities, then pray tell what is the reason for such poverty in the black communities?

Yes, their are communities of abject poverty for whites as well, but white society makes no excuse whatsoever for them. We know that poverty begets crime and that the false aspiration of the entertainment industry plays a big part in the lack of ambition of all races. Encouraging 100 million kids to chase ten thousand jobs is a horrible disservice. This disservice is more prominent in the black community. If you don't think this is true, please tell me why?

In the United states, does the average white man hold more or less wealth than the average black man. WHY? What is the practical cause in the CURRENT generation?