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What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?

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What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:07 am (This post was last modified: August 19, 2014 at 3:10 am by Whateverist.)
(August 19, 2014 at 3:01 am)revivin Wrote:
(August 19, 2014 at 2:58 am)whateverist Wrote: And if anything can always have existed, it might just as well be the universe itself

The reason why the universe could not always have existed because if it did you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened.

Then explain to me, without resorting to unsubstantiated magic, how God could have existed for an eternity and yet we're not yet out of time.

There is no way you can possibly appreciate how nonsensical your position sounds, can you? Did you know it is possible to be theist without believing self-contradictory or just plain stupid things? I won't ask you to become an atheist. But please work on improving your theology.
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:08 am
(August 19, 2014 at 2:53 am)revivin Wrote: You said you were not an atheist.
I'm not. Just read my signature.
god is supposed to be imaginary
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:10 am
(August 19, 2014 at 3:08 am)stonedape Wrote: I'm not.

I know, you said "I'm not even an atheist."
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:16 am
(August 19, 2014 at 3:10 am)revivin Wrote: I know, you said "I'm not even an atheist."
So you agree that god is imaginary?
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:17 am
(August 19, 2014 at 3:16 am)stonedape Wrote: So you agree that god is imaginary?

I thought we agreed atheism is false?
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:20 am
Nowhere in modern science does it say something came from nothing. If you actually look up the Big Bang theory, it's current version says the universe was a singularity, which is definitely not nothing.
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:21 am
(August 19, 2014 at 3:20 am)Tobie Wrote: the universe was a singularity, which is definitely not nothing.

But the singularity has a cause since it didn't always exist.
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:24 am
(August 19, 2014 at 3:17 am)revivin Wrote: I thought we agreed atheism is false?
No it's not. God just happens to be imaginary. Kind of like money. If you'd like to work for money, that's cool. If you'd like to work for god, that's cool too. If you'd like to work for nothing, that's your choice. Whatever works.
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:28 am
(August 19, 2014 at 3:21 am)revivin Wrote:
(August 19, 2014 at 3:20 am)Tobie Wrote: the universe was a singularity, which is definitely not nothing.

But the singularity has a cause since it didn't always exist.

The singularity is a mathematical construct, and is probably a placeholder in the theory until we can find some more evidence for what happened at and before the Big Bang. The fact that we don't know for certain doesn't mean you can use your god-of-the-gaps approach though. Science doesn't know does not imply god.
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RE: What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?
August 19, 2014 at 3:29 am
(August 19, 2014 at 3:24 am)stonedape Wrote:
(August 19, 2014 at 3:17 am)revivin Wrote: I thought we agreed atheism is false?
No it's not.

Then you are an atheist.
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