What Are the Rules of Something from Nothing?

[Tonus]

I'm becoming more and more skeptical that Revivin is here to have any sort of actual discussion at all.

Every now and then we get a few dump-n-run trolls. Some of them just take a bigger dump than the rest.

[Minimalist]

And if anything can always have existed, it might just as well be the universe itself

The reason why the universe could not always have existed because if it did you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened.

So your 'god' sat on his ass for 14 billion years just jerking off before deciding to make himself useful? Some god you've got there.

[revivin]

It's most wonderful to see how patient God that Gen. 1.1 took 13.8 billion years.

[Tonus]

From creation of universe to creation of humans: 13.8 billion years
From creation of humans to fucking over humanity: 3 chapters or so

[DramaQueen]

God fucked the earthed and trees came out

[revivin]

From creation of universe to creation of humans: 13.8 billion years

Yup.

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The fact remains if there was this alleged infinite regress of cause and effects atheists cling to, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened, so nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated by the uncreated Creator.

[Anomalocaris]

Cause and effect are defined by time.

You would have happened already if you had an eternity to come into being before now.

How the fuck do you know I have not happened an infinite number of times before already?

Btw, Infinite regress does not mean infinite repetition, the little attempt by you to insert that piece of bullshit to disguise the bullshit nature of the large argument you are trying to push notwithstanding. It is just like a number line stretching to infinity at both ends does not need to contain a single repetition anywhere along its entire infinite length. Try again.


As I said, Christianity depends not only on bare assertion, it also rely on logical fallacy. Committing just one logical crime is not even enough to perpetuate Christianity.

[revivin]

How the fuck do you know I have not happened an infinite number of times before already?

The you that you are now is the only now that you are you.

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The fact remains if there was this alleged infinite regress of cause and effects atheists cling to, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened, so nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated by the uncreated Creator.

[TubbyTubby]

I'm becoming more and more skeptical that Revivin is here to have any sort of actual discussion at all.

He had a 1700 post run at TTA until eventually banned. The retard is still spewing the exact same shit as he did there.
Never actually engages in conversation, just repeat over and over and over.....

[Esquilax]

The fact remains if there was this alleged infinite regress of cause and effects atheists cling to, you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened, so nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated by the uncreated Creator.

Incidentally, how do you know I haven't happened, just elsewhere, in one of the many expanses of space that we haven't yet observed?

See, that's the thing: this eternity does happen in a space we're only just beginning to understand. Your argument presupposes that earth is the only playing field.