Oh Come On!!! Damn you Ken Ham!

[Minimalist]

You Americans are crazy...

If valuing the freedom of ideas and thought makes someone crazy, then you’re right, Americans are crazy. However, being crazy has gotten us quite far in the world.

For once Waldork has a point.... people like him are stupid...not crazy.

[Esquilax]

In an op-ed at the Lexington Herald-Leader, "Non-Christians need not apply," Phelps explains his concerns.

Why would a non-Christian want to work at the Ark exhibit?

Here's the thing: there are laws in place preventing employee discrimination, as there should be. Job openings for the Ark Encounter, phrased as a tourist attraction in order to apply for tax incentives, require that the applicant be young earth creationist. This is not a legal thing to do.

It's not about a bunch of atheists lining up to work at the Ark whatever, it's about this organization wanting to have its cake and eat it too.

[Statler Waldorf]

A paycheck.

“You creationists are evil and abusing children by lying to them!...but I’ll gladly work for you if you pay me.” Are atheists ever consistent?

Same reason someone might want to build a religious theme park.

The Creation Museum and AIG’s role in the Ark Encounter are both non-profit, nice try though.

For once Waldork has a point.... people like him are stupid...not crazy.

Says the old man who has made a habit of getting destroyed in debates by someone he claims is “stupid”. My favorite was when I asked you for a reference and you linked me to somebody’s blog. Classic Min.

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Here's the thing: there are laws in place preventing employee discrimination, as there should be. Job openings for the Ark Encounter, phrased as a tourist attraction in order to apply for tax incentives, require that the applicant be young earth creationist. This is not a legal thing to do.

It's not about a bunch of atheists lining up to work at the Ark whatever, it's about this organization wanting to have its cake and eat it too.

I am sorry but that is simply incorrect ESq. A person’s views on the age and formation of the Earth are not a protected class (try being young-Earth and getting a job at the Museum of Natural History). As a non-public entity AIG can hire whomever they want and for whatever reason they like.

[DramaQueen]

I'm kinda ok with this. Wonder if it's fun.

[Zidneya]

Statler Waldorf

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A Noah's Ark theme park created by famous evolution-denier Ken Ham has just received an $18 million tax break from the citizens of Kentucky, many of whom will be prohibited from being employed there.

This is intentionally misleading. The tax incentives are available to all tourist attractions in the state and are only given if the Ark meets attendance-performance standards and tourism dollars flow into the state. They are not given to help build the attraction. Denying the Ark exhibit such incentives would be a violation of their religious freedom.

“We have held that the guarantee of neutrality is respected, not offended, when the government, following neutral criteria and evenhanded policies, extends benefits to recipients whose ideologies and viewpoints, including religious ones, are broad and diverse.”- The US Supreme Court

What Ham doesn't say much about is a reported donation worth $1 million from the leader of a certified white supremacist hate group.

False, which is precisely why no link or source is given.

But Daniel Phelps, the president of the Kentucky Paleontological Society and vice president of Kentuckians for Science Education, isn't pleased.

Of course he is not; he’d much prefer that contrary ideas were censored from the public.

In an op-ed at the Lexington Herald-Leader, "Non-Christians need not apply," Phelps explains his concerns.

Why would a non-Christian want to work at the Ark exhibit?

Phelps writes. "According to that organization, the Earth is only approximately 6,000 years old,

Yup.

Noah's flood was in 2350 B.C.

2348 BC.

and there were dinosaurs on the ark (some of which were fire-breathing dragons).

No, the belief is that the modern day conception of a fire-breathing dragon is a corrupted characterization of a dinosaur.

That organization, by the way, calls itself a "ministry."

Irrelevant. They do a broad scope of work.

The job description included this statement: "Our work at Ark Encounter is not just a job, it is also a ministry. Our employees work together as a team to serve each other to produce the best solutions for our design requirements. Our purpose through the Ark Encounter is to serve and glorify the Lord with our God-given talents with the goal of edifying believers and evangelizing the lost."

No problem there.

All job postings at Answers in Genesis include this statement: "All job applicants for the non-profit ministry of AiG/Creation Museum need to supply a written statement of their testimony, a statement of what they believe regarding creation, and a statement that they have read and can support the AiG Statement of Faith."

Again, no problem there. A creation museum wants creationists to work for them, imagine that.

The AiG Statement of Faith claims "it is imperative that all persons employed by the ministry in any capacity, or who serve as volunteers, should abide by and agree to our Statement of Faith, to include the statement on marriage and sexuality, and conduct themselves accordingly."

Again, no problem there.

It also requires all employees to believe and support "the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer, and Judge," and the "66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science."

Amen.

"The only legitimate marriage sanctioned by God is the joining of one man and one woman in a single, exclusive union, as delineated in Scripture. God intends sexual intimacy to only occur between a man and a woman who are married to each other, and has commanded that no intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between a man and a woman. Any form of sexual immorality, such as adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexual conduct, bestiality, incest, pornography, or any attempt to change one’s gender, or disagreement with one’s biological gender, is sinful and offensive to God."

True.

In other words, LGBT people and most Christians need not apply.

People who do not take the mission of AIG seriously need not apply. If they are such a terrible group and so hateful then why would a LGBT person want to work for them? That’s funny.

Given Ham's strict devotion to an extremist form of religion where everyone must believe as he does -- something it's safe to say even most Christians do not -- how can any other entity of his creation toss those tenets aside and abide by the laws of man?

Also irrelevant and untrue. I disagree with Ken on several things (as do several of his own employees) but I could get a job there because I believe the core tenets of the faith.

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Let me see if I get this straight Statler Waldorf. You are refuting and article that I didn't wrote?

Because you do realize that since the link was altered(I'm asking for technical assistance I will receive notice from the next 24 to 48 hours to see if anyone else knows what caused it) I did copy paste the article right.

You know what I'm gonna write the whole article. I know that breaks the rule of pasting from other web sites rule but it's not my fault that the forum alters the web address.

So okay you found some... well you disagree with some of the stuff written there. Well the guy who wrote this article is this fellow.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash
Feel free to contact him and tell him all this.



The only thing that I've wrote was:

Even Disneyland don't get discounts taxes.

Disneyland is in California, not Kentucky there bub.

But they're both in America aren't they? But okay em different state laws I suppose so…eh… sorry?

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One question are you one of those guys who have this complex to prove themselves and others that he is the smartest guy in the room?

There was a name for that wasn't it? But I can't remember.

Because this is the first time that I've seen someone writing larger replies than me in a thread that I've made(and believe me that ain't something that I see every day). Normally I would engage in a whole speech battle debate like I always do. With replies like yours that refute every sentence (but like I said before I didn't wrote this article so whoever you want to refute isn't here pal). And believe me I've made some huge replies in the past.

For more information ask these people:
Mister agenda
rexbeccarox
Losty
Luckie
Muslim atheist…no you know what forget that guy.

[Dystopia]

No offence but it amazes me how this still happens, over here in Europe this type of discrimination would be illegal by definition, no one would actually try to implement this policy.

[Esquilax]

I am sorry but that is simply incorrect ESq. A person’s views on the age and formation of the Earth are not a protected class (try being young-Earth and getting a job at the Museum of Natural History).

It's not just about young earth views. If you look, the application requires you to sign AiG's statement of faith, which is loaded for bear with religious language up to and including acceptance of the christian god and a literal interpretation of the bible. It also asks that you give "salvation testimony," which I don't think I'm remiss in viewing as a statement of one's own christianity.

As a non-public entity AIG can hire whomever they want and for whatever reason they like.

The Ark Park, which the position is advertised as being for, is a for profit business entity and thus falls under non-discrimination laws. The claim that the job opening is an in-house AiG position is directly contradicted by the title of the ad itself.

[Zidneya]

No offence but it amazes me how this still happens, over here in Europe this type of discrimination would be illegal by definition, no one would actually try to implement this policy.

Well I think all of us here can agree that Americans are really one piece of work.

[Jackalope]

The Ark Park, which the position is advertised as being for, is a for profit business entity and thus falls under non-discrimination laws. The claim that the job opening is an in-house AiG position is directly contradicted by the title of the ad itself.

Except insofar as there is a "bona fide occupational qualification" - it's not entirely clear which way that would go in a lawsuit - leastwise, nor as clear as you or Statler appear to believe. The statement of faith indicates that only a particular type of Christian need apply, and it'll take a court to decide whether that's a BFOQ under Federal law, or whether it's just Ham's preference and its not really necessary to believe the bullshit one sells, provided one is willing to sell it sincerely.

[Jackalope]

No offence but it amazes me how this still happens, over here in Europe this type of discrimination would be illegal by definition, no one would actually try to implement this policy.

Well I think all of us here can agree that Americans are really one piece of work.

As an American, I can only agree that some of us are.

...or shall we start stereotyping your country, as well?