Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The Adam & Eve story is about the king of Tyre collaborating with the Egyptians against the Assyrians. The serpent was the Pharaoh, whose crown had a serpent on it.

[Cyberman]

I'd ask for evidence, or a citation or something; but that would be silly.

[ronedee]

There is no way to answer for one who believes in real talking serpents. Those people are not quite sane.

Regards
DL

Obviously the story is a metaphor....

To painfully put it in a nutshell... The nature of man is to be godlike. Unfortunately, we went about it the wrong way; through disobedience.

And the snake? The first experiment in [free will] that went totally wrong.... for the snake that is! But there needs to be a fall guy for a happy ending. And he'll have plenty of company someday.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh, is it then, and obviously so? Is the original sin also metaphor, and the curse as well?...and here I thought it was my job to gut catholicism.....my favorite though....

But there needs to be a fall guy for a happy ending. And he'll have plenty of company someday.

LOL, you describing christ or the serpent...lol?

[Brakeman]

But there needs to be a fall guy for a happy ending. And he'll have plenty of company someday.

Kinda like there has to be a little bulled kid for the class to have a good laugh.

There is no basis for that assertion. The ideal best ending is when everyone wins.

Imagine the garden of Eden story where Eve shows love and compassion to the snake and convinces him and or Satan that their conflict with god was just an misunderstanding. Then God, Satan, and Adam and Eve all forgive and forget and live happily ever after. The End.

But god, being the little shit he is, wasn't powerful or knowing enough to mend the fences with Satan, and because of his social issues we get caught up in the middle of it.

[Cyberman]

Metaphors represent concepts. What is being represented by the snake metaphor, other than a possible Freudian one?

[The Grand Nudger]

The Other, though, I suppose that need not be "other than"...hehehe? Perhaps the serpent seduced adams wife, perhaps it represents a counterculture, perhaps a minority report, perhaps it represents our inner monologue confronted with the decrees of authority - our ability to see through the lies told "for our own good" - and then, in seeing them, our inability to resist the temptation to point them out or act upon that knowledge.

Or, maybe, the author told a story about dragons to keep coins falling in the cup - and it represents nothing other than entertainment. It's difficult to answer questions like these. Living authors are often told what their own work represents despite their vocal disagreement with the assessments of others. Does the author actually own the narrative - does the author get to determine what it represents after it's been let loose "in the wild"? Personally, I don't think so (but I can understand their indignation if and when a narrative becomes the antithesis of whatever they intended).

[Tonus]

To painfully put it in a nutshell... The nature of man is to be godlike. Unfortunately, we went about it the wrong way; through disobedience.

How could man be god-like if he wasn't going to be allowed to be independent? Who holds Yahweh's leash?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Second request.

But what is the first duty of one who has seized it, if mot to insure that all enjoy the same freedom of thought and action?

The first duty is to respect the rights of others. In this case, that right is the freedom of conscience. They chose a faith that subjugates them.

Or do you just center on yourself and screw the rest?

Regards
DL

What are you doing about the 750 million Muslim women in bondage -- aside from posting on an atheist forum, of all places? I'm sure that's helpful.

Your sanctimony is nice. Let's see how it's motivated you to take practical steps in this cause.

Also, don't forget, this is the third time now: what steps do you think we should take to save these women from themselves?

[Greatest I am]

There is no way to answer for one who believes in real talking serpents. Those people are not quite sane.

Regards
DL

Obviously the story is a metaphor....

To painfully put it in a nutshell... The nature of man is to be godlike. Unfortunately, we went about it the wrong way; through disobedience.

And the snake? The first experiment in [free will] that went totally wrong.... for the snake that is! But there needs to be a fall guy for a happy ending. And he'll have plenty of company someday.

Are you saying A & E should have followed the command that basically says, stay stupid forever?

Should they have wallowed in ignorant bliss even too stupid to realize they were naked?

No adding to scriptures now.

Regards
DL

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But there needs to be a fall guy for a happy ending. And he'll have plenty of company someday.

Kinda like there has to be a little bulled kid for the class to have a good laugh.

There is no basis for that assertion. The ideal best ending is when everyone wins.

Imagine the garden of Eden story where Eve shows love and compassion to the snake and convinces him and or Satan that their conflict with god was just an misunderstanding. Then God, Satan, and Adam and Eve all forgive and forget and live happily ever after. The End.

But god, being the little shit he is, wasn't powerful or knowing enough to mend the fences with Satan, and because of his social issues we get caught up in the middle of it.

You make a good point on all getting out of Eden as winners and not the losers that Christianity has made of both us and a prick of a God.

The Jews had written and interpreted the fall as their elevation before Christianity reversed the moral and intent of the story.

Have a look at how they saw it as our elevation.

"Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue "

http://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

Regards
DL