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Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
#11
RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
1) Lack of belief in a god or gods.
2) No
3) No
4) I cannot be entirely sure, but there is no evidence for the positive contrary position, and using Occam's razor, the more simple answer is that there is no god
5) See above
6) Reality that is not subjective
7) Lack of evidence for theism, which is a claim position
8) Don't know, don't care
9) Atheism is a view on whether deities exist or not, and nothing else.
10) Interferes where it should not, such as on people's human rights. Also in some places breeds ignorance and hate.
11) A lack of consistency in it's own claims and the disparity between today's morals and those of the Bible.
12) Yes. Or rather, religion does nothing to improve it, for the most part.
13) Yes.
14) No
15) Yes. Why should a claim about a supernatural being get special treatment?
16) Immaterial is inconsequential. If it is not in the material world, it has no bearing on it.
17) Biologically speaking, the aim of the human race is to preserve the human race. No "greater" purpose stuff.
18) N/A
19) In my opinion, it is a side effect of empathy.
20) I don't think so. There are some almost universally agreed upon bad things, such as murder or theft, but no absolutes, i.e murder may not necessarily be bad (could be killing for a good reason, or for a net "good" outcome)
21) N/A
22) No, in that I do not believe that there are things or people that are wholly bad or wholly good, apart from things designed with an bad purpose (e.g mass extermination chambers)
23) My morals
24) Falsifiable and undeniable proof for his existence
25) No idea. I couldn't care less if someone wants to prove the existence of god.
26) Rational, falsifiable, like the standards any good science should be held up to.
27) Atheists, since as a group, atheists have no particular bias towards or against other groups. Christians are necessarily biased against gays, atheists, muslims etc, since their holy book says groups that disagree will be punished for eternity
28) Free will within biological restrictions
29) See above
30) We've had lots of time to evolve further - there is no evidence (at least for our brains) to suggest we have.
31) N/A
If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. - J.R.R Tolkien
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#12
RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
1. How would you define atheism?

Atheism: Lack of belief in deities.

2. Do you act according to what you believe (there is no God) in or what you don't believe in (lack belief in God)?

This question makes no sense. I act according to what I think is right. My belief or lack thereof has no bearing in my decisions.

3. Do you think it is inconsistent for someone who "lacks belief" in God to work against God's existence by attempting to show that God doesn't exist?

A: "Work against God's (sic) existence" assumes that there is one and that its existence can be threatened by non-belief. If such a being were real, I highly doubt anyone would consider it a god.
B: No. Theists have, by and large, been the first to discriminate against whoever they damn well pleased, in the name of their gods. When secular values started to take over, they blatantly lied, claiming that their "holy" books had been the cause.

4. How sure are you that your atheism properly represents reality?

I don't understand the question. If I had to guess, I'd say you meant to ask "How sure are you that there are no gods", but then question #5 also indicates this. For the sake of argument, I'll assume that this means what I think #5 means, and that #5 is the nonsensical one.
I'm 100% sure that, by my definition of the term, there not only are no gods, but can never be any gods.

5. How sure are you that your atheism is correct?

Assuming this to mean "How sure are you that you're an atheist?", I'm 100% sure.

6. How would you define what truth is?

Relative truths are the ones that are different depending on one's perspective. Absolute truths are the ones that are truth, regardless of the perspective. A sphere, for example, will always appear round, no matter which angle it's viewed from.

7. Why do you believe your atheism is a justifiable position to hold?

Because my definition of "perfect" - which is the only thing I would bow down to and worship willingly - cannot exist.

8. Are you a materialist or a physicalist or what?

To sum up one's worldview in one single word is idiotic for most people.

9. Do you affirm or deny that atheism is a worldview? Why or why not?

It's as much a worldview as not believing in Santa Claus (not the one who's on steroids, but the regular one). It's, at best, part of a worldview. It doesn't define the way we view the entire world.

10. Not all atheists are antagonistic to Christianity but for those of you who are, why the antagonism?

I'm not antagonistic toward any religion. I am antagonistic toward its believers who are buried so deep in their self-righteousness that they won't consider that maybe, just maybe, other people deserve freedom of thought and choice, to name a couple, not to mention banning of things that other people do that go against moral values that are not those of other people, but the believers' own. That's literally like wanting donut stores to close because you don't like them.

11. If you were at one time a believer in the Christian God, what caused you to deny his existence?

I didn't and don't. I concluded he doesn't exist. To deny something, it must first exist.

12. Do you believe the world would be better off without religion?

As in if religion had never existed? Probably. However, if you're asking me if every believer became an atheist overnight (by some kind of mass-brainwashing), then it depends on your perspective. To me, taking away someone's freedom of choice is a fate comparable to (if not worse than) death.

13. Do you believe the world would be better off without Christianity?

See above.

14. Do you believe that faith in a God or gods is a mental disorder?

It depends on the circumstance. If a believer has never seen evidence of his or her god's non-existence, then no. They are wrong, but don't suffer from a mental disorder. If, on the other hand, the believer literally chooses to stay away from information that will challenge his/her faith, then yes - they are delusional.

15. Must God be known through the scientific method?

It doesn't have to be, but any and all things that are real can be proven by it.

16. If you answered yes to the previous question, then how do you avoid a category mistake by requiring material evidence for an immaterial God?

Replace "God (sic)" with "Santa Claus", and you might get it.

17. Do we have any purpose as human beings?

Intrinsic purpose? No. Only life can give life purpose. Nobody and nothing else can do it for us. The existence of a god who might have a plan for us doesn't make our lives any more purposeful, unless we choose to accept fulfilling that plan as being our purpose. However, an omnimax deity with a plan would effectively end all purpose for everything. We would have no purpose in the sense that everything had been predetermined.

18. If we do have purpose, can you as an atheist please explain how that purpose is determined?

We determine it.

19. Where does morality come from?

Emotion-driven "logic" and society.

20. Are there moral absolutes?

No.

21. If there are moral absolutes, could you list a few of them?

(Skipping since I answered "No." to the previous one)

22. Do you believe there is such a thing as evil? If so, what is it?

Something that is intrinsically or absolutely evil? No. Something that I consider evil? Yes. To me, evil is basically what sadistic psychopaths do.

23. If you believe that the God of the Old Testament is morally bad, by what standard do you judge that he is bad?

My own.

24. What would it take for you to believe in God?

If there is a god, it would know.

25. What would constitute sufficient evidence for God’s existence?

See above.

26. Must this evidence be rationally based, archaeological, testable in a lab, etc., or what?

See above.

27. Do you think that a society that is run by Christians or atheists would be safer? Why?

It depends on the kind of christians and the kind of atheists. Anti-theists with a burning desire to destroy religion and its followers would make a bad society. Similarly, christians with a burning desire to convert everyone by any means necessary would make a bad society.

28. Do you believe in free will? (free will being the ability to make choices without coercion).

This issue has not yet been determined. Please ask again at a later time.

29. If you believe in free will, do you see any problem with defending the idea that the physical brain, which is limited and subject to the neuro-chemical laws of the brain, can still produce free will choices?

See above.

30. If you affirm evolution and that the universe will continue to expand forever, then do you think it is probable that given enough time, brains would evolve to the point of exceeding mere physical limitations and become free of the physical and temporal and thereby become "deity" and not be restricted by space and time? If not, why not?

You're trying to mix evolution and physics, and failing badly. Yes, the universe seems like it will keep expanding forever, but, if that's the case, it will eventually suffer what's commonly known as "Heat Death". Regardless, even if it didn't, what you describe is impossible. There's no way to "exceed mere physical limitations and become free of the physical and temporal". You will always be bound by the laws of physics and logic, same as everything else.

31. If you answered the previous question in the affirmative, then aren't you saying that it is probable that some sort of God exists?

By others' definitions, sure. A pantheist's god definitely exists - it's everything. By my definition, though, I wouldn't bow in front of those gods to tie my shoes.
The truth is absolute. Life forms are specks of specks (...) of specks of dust in the universe.
Why settle for normal, when you can be so much more? Why settle for something, when you can have everything?

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#13
RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
I like quizzes! Smile

1. How would you define atheism?
There are two definitions of atheism
- To lack belief in the existence of any god ever brought forth by any human.
- To belief that no gods exist at all.
I'm ok with both definitions, although I identify myself with the first.

2. Do you act according to what you believe (there is no God) in or what you don't believe in (lack belief in God)?
My actions rarely take into account the nonexistence of any deity.
One may say that my lack of actions does represent my lack of belief in any deity.


3. Do you think it is inconsistent for someone who "lacks belief" in God to work against God's existence by attempting to show that God doesn't exist?
Do you think it is inconsistent for someone who "lacks belief" in the mythical winged horse Pegasus to work against Pegasus' existence by attempting to show that Pegasus doesn't exist?
Seriously, how does one show that a mythical creature doesn't exist? You can't... it's impossible!
However, if such a creature did exist, it should be possible to show that it does indeed exist. Care to give it a go for your particular deity?


4. How sure are you that your atheism properly represents reality?
The lack of any evidence for the existence of any deity leaves me with no choice. Why should I assume that reality is best represented with a deity in it?

5. How sure are you that your atheism is correct?
How sure are you that your a-islamism, your a-hinduism, your a-shamanism, and other a---isms is correct?
Yeah... that's about as sure I am.

6. How would you define what truth is?
Truth is the correct interpretation of reality.


7. Why do you believe your atheism is a justifiable position to hold?
Because there's nothing reasonable to indicate that I should hold any other position.


8. Are you a materialist or a physicalist or what?
I... what's the difference?... anyway, beats me. I'm human.


9. Do you affirm or deny that atheism is a worldview? Why or why not?
World view is what the good folks at the International Space Station have, when they look out their window.
My atheism is the lack of belief in any deity.


10. Not all atheists are antagonistic to Christianity but for those of you who are, why the antagonism?
Christianity... and all other religions... have plagued humanity for far too long. Scientific knowledge is now replacing mythologies and psychologists are taking the place of spiritual leaders... give it time...


11. If you were at one time a believer in the Christian God, what caused you to deny his existence?
I was once a kid, immersed in a christian region... I thought everyone believed in it... it just seemed like a part of the world... but then I realized that many claims made by people about the deity didn't pan out. That was the beginning of the end.


12. Do you believe the world would be better off without religion?
It's possible, but the transition may be difficult.

13. Do you believe the world would be better off without Christianity?
As long as you take all others with you! Tongue

14. Do you believe that faith in a God or gods is a mental disorder?
Considering that it's somewhat normal case, I find it difficult to say it's a disorder... it does seem to be in order. But it does seem to be wrong.


15. Must God be known through the scientific method?
If it exists, yes.


16. If you answered yes to the previous question, then how do you avoid a category mistake by requiring material evidence for an immaterial God?
If it is immaterial, then it doesn't exist, does it? It's like Harry Potter.

17. Do we have any purpose as human beings?
Survive, I guess... as any other living species on this planet.

18. If we do have purpose, can you as an atheist please explain how that purpose is determined?
Life goes on, life finds a way. survival is the goal of life.

19. Where does morality come from?
[repeat others] From the need to live in groups, for the past hundreds of thousands of years. Rules are required to keep all the people working towards the goal of survival. Those who don't follow them, fail to survive.. or fail to pass on the genes which carry the unruly behavior.
It's a similar phenomenon to that of animal domestication.


20. Are there moral absolutes?
I guess there are some rules that end up being the same for every group...


21. If there are moral absolutes, could you list a few of them?
Avoid harm to the elements of the group.
Work to the improvement of the group.


22. Do you believe there is such a thing as evil? If so, what is it?
Evil is when someone fails to uphold the rules for the betterment of the group... typically by harming, physically or psychologically, another element of the group.

23. If you believe that the God of the Old Testament is morally bad, by what standard do you judge that he is bad?
By the same standard I think that Voldemort is morally bad.


24. What would it take for you to believe in God?
God to exist.


25. What would constitute sufficient evidence for God’s existence?
The god to behave as such.


26. Must this evidence be rationally based, archaeological, testable in a lab, etc., or what?
This evidence must be god based... a show of power every now and then, a show of actually wanting us to acknowledge that it exists.


27. Do you think that a society that is run by Christians or atheists would be safer? Why?
What?!


28. Do you believe in free will? (free will being the ability to make choices without coercion).
yes.


29. If you believe in free will, do you see any problem with defending the idea that the physical brain, which is limited and subject to the neuro-chemical laws of the brain, can still produce free will choices?
What does this have to do with coercion?
You redefined free will and now back down to the common definition? disingenuous much?


30. If you affirm evolution and that the universe will continue to expand forever, then do you think it is probable that given enough time, brains would evolve to the point of exceeding mere physical limitations and become free of the physical and temporal and thereby become "deity" and not be restricted by space and time? If not, why not?
The condition presented has no bearing on the conclusion proposed.
The eternal expansion of the universe leads only to a tendency of the universe's mass and energy density to reach zero. Once there, there will be virtually nothing.


31. If you answered the previous question in the affirmative, then aren't you saying that it is probable that some sort of God exists?
I didn't answer it in the affirmative. Tongue
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#14
RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
1. How would you define atheism?
As a lack of belief in god(s).
2. Do you act according to what you believe (there is no God) in or what you don't believe in (lack belief in God)?
No.
3. Do you think it is inconsistent for someone who "lacks belief" in God to work against God's existence by attempting to show that God doesn't exist?
No. Those who make the claim that a god exists are responsible for much death and destruction. I think it is more than worth while to fight theist delusions.
4. How sure are you that your atheism properly represents reality?
My reality? 100%
5. How sure are you that your atheism is correct?
Trick question. Atheism is neither correct nor incorrect.
6. How would you define what truth is?
That which comports with our current understanding of reality.
7. Why do you believe your atheism is a justifiable position to hold?
Because no god has been demonstrated to exist using our current methods in understanding reality.
8. Are you a materialist or a physicalist or what?
I am Human. That is what I am called. You may attach to me whatever other label soothes your anxieties.
9. Do you affirm or deny that atheism is a worldview? Why or why not?
Atheism is the rejection of claims that god exists. A worldview contains more than one simple inclusion. A room filled with 100 atheists might find 100 differing worldviews, while a room filled with christians, if they're being honest, would represent one single worldview.
10. Not all atheists are antagonistic to Christianity but for those of you who are, why the antagonism?
It's physics. You push me - I push back. I'm not the one who started the antagonism by threatening theists with torture if they disagree with me.
11. If you were at one time a believer in the Christian God, what caused you to deny his existence?
Mostly the way Christians behave - truth hurts. (see answer to question #6)
12. Do you believe the world would be better off without religion?
Yes.
13. Do you believe the world would be better off without Christianity?
Yes.
14. Do you believe that faith in a God or gods is a mental disorder?
No. I think it's a misunderstanding of our innate nature as Human beings and a deep need to feel assured of what is unknown. I'd call it ignorance and fear.
15. Must God be known through the scientific method?
No, not in my opinion. What you call "god" I call something else Wink
16. If you answered yes to the previous question, then how do you avoid a category mistake by requiring material evidence for an immaterial God?
n/a
17. Do we have any purpose as human beings?
Yes. Those which we define for ourselves.
18. If we do have purpose, can you as an atheist please explain how that purpose is determined?
Through experience and observation.
19. Where does morality come from?
Many long years of Human evolution.
20. Are there moral absolutes?
Ask the christians who now see witch burning as a bad thing. I think they're answers would better serve your biases.
21. If there are moral absolutes, could you list a few of them?
Not burning people alive comes to mind.
22. Do you believe there is such a thing as evil? If so, what is it?
Evil actions are real. "Evil" as a power or force is a man-made concept that was created to displace the guilt of the bad actions of some.
23. If you believe that the God of the Old Testament is morally bad, by what standard do you judge that he is bad?
The Human standard. It's older than your god.
24. What would it take for you to believe in God?
The bible's version? A lobotomy.
25. What would constitute sufficient evidence for God’s existence?
The bible god? It could physically present itself. Personally, I'm not one to care about such evidences.
26. Must this evidence be rationally based, archaeological, testable in a lab, etc., or what?
If I cared... yes.
27. Do you think that a society that is run by Christians or atheists would be safer? Why?
Atheists. It allows for a broader selection of available data and learning. It encourages growth and advancement, whereas christianity favors dogma and bronze-age tradition.
28. Do you believe in free will? (free will being the ability to make choices without coercion).
As defined; yes.
29. If you believe in free will, do you see any problem with defending the idea that the physical brain, which is limited and subject to the neuro-chemical laws of the brain, can still produce free will choices?
The Human brain is a pattern filter. I see no problem with 'defending' the idea that a capable filter can make proper calculations.
30. If you affirm evolution and that the universe will continue to expand forever, then do you think it is probable that given enough time, brains would evolve to the point of exceeding mere physical limitations and become free of the physical and temporal and thereby become "deity" and not be restricted by space and time? If not, why not?
Bong
31. If you answered the previous question in the affirmative, then aren't you saying that it is probable that some sort of God exists?
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Presuppose much?
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#15
RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
I hate quizzes. Guess I'm hell bound.

Tough titties for me once again.
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#16
RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
Quote:1. How would you define atheism?

As the accumulation of evidence that none of the gods created by the human imagination are real.

2. Do you act according to what you believe (there is no God) in or what you don't believe in (lack belief in God)?

The question is irrelevant. I act according to my own conscience and the civil laws of the land. "God" doesn't enter into the equation.

3. Do you think it is inconsistent for someone who "lacks belief" in God to work against God's existence by attempting to show that God doesn't exist?

Yes...right up until some bible-thumping moron tries to annoy me with his tales of supernatural wonder. Then I will tell him/her off.

4. How sure are you that your atheism properly represents reality?

By the previously mentioned lack of evidence for any god...including the one trumpeted by xtian shitheads

5. How sure are you that your atheism is correct?

Asked and answered. You are getting redundant.

6. How would you define what truth is?

A body of facts supported by tangible evidence.

7. Why do you believe your atheism is a justifiable position to hold?

Again, redundant.

8. Are you a materialist or a physicalist or what?

In general, I consider philosophy to be a pile of shit.

9. Do you affirm or deny that atheism is a worldview? Why or why not?

It is not. A "worldview" should have more than one precept. The fact that religious morons cannot demonstrate that any of their gods are real is insufficient to meet that standard.

10. Not all atheists are antagonistic to Christianity but for those of you who are, why the antagonism?

Because xtians are antagonistic to us.

11. If you were at one time a believer in the Christian God, what caused you to deny his existence?

I turned 12.

12. Do you believe the world would be better off without religion?

Without a doubt.

13. Do you believe the world would be better off without Christianity?

As above. Jesus shit is not better than any of the others.

14. Do you believe that faith in a God or gods is a mental disorder?

When carried to extremes. Otherwise, for most people, it is merely intellectual sloth.

15. Must God be known through the scientific method?

Yes....because that is the only to demonstrate that it is real.

16. If you answered yes to the previous question, then how do you avoid a category mistake by requiring material evidence for an immaterial God?

The immaterial god is the problem of fools who believe it without evidence.

17. Do we have any purpose as human beings?

Live, procreate, die. I sneer at morons who think they are fucking "special" because they believe absurd fairy tales.

18. If we do have purpose, can you as an atheist please explain how that purpose is determined?

n/a

19. Where does morality come from?

Certainly not from the dictates of a rapacious bunch of priests who can't keep their dicks off the altar boys.

20. Are there moral absolutes?

No.

21. If there are moral absolutes, could you list a few of them?

n/a

22. Do you believe there is such a thing as evil? If so, what is it?

As an adjective, not a noun. An example would be a priest raping children in his care. That would be an evil act. As would some baptist preacher like, "Bishop" Eddie Long,

23. If you believe that the God of the Old Testament is morally bad, by what standard do you judge that he is bad?

The number of murders attributed to him.

24. What would it take for you to believe in God?

Evidence

25. What would constitute sufficient evidence for God’s existence?

Sufficient? Why don't you start with "any" and try to work your way up.

26. Must this evidence be rationally based, archaeological, testable in a lab, etc., or what?

Of course. We've seen the irrational arguments based on your silly, fucking bible and they are unpersuasive.

27. Do you think that a society that is run by Christians or atheists would be safer? Why?

Atheists. History furnishes plenty of examples of what happened when xtians were calling the shots.

28. Do you believe in free will? (free will being the ability to make choices without coercion).

Yes.

29. If you believe in free will, do you see any problem with defending the idea that the physical brain, which is limited and subject to the neuro-chemical laws of the brain, can still produce free will choices?

None whatsoever.

30. If you affirm evolution and that the universe will continue to expand forever, then do you think it is probable that given enough time, brains would evolve to the point of exceeding mere physical limitations and become free of the physical and temporal and thereby become "deity" and not be restricted by space and time? If not, why not?

Evolution is supported by museums full of evidence. The rest of your question is the wildest sort of speculation.

31. If you answered the previous question in the affirmative, then aren't you saying that it is probable that some sort of God exists?

Certainly not the piss-pot of a god you jesus freaks have invented.
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#17
RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
What the hell, I have some time to kill.

But can we have some sort of key to evaluate answers?


1. How would you define atheism?
Lack of belief in a supernatural, intelligent agency - which is the most generic definition of god I can find.


2. Do you act according to what you believe (there is no God) in or what you don't believe in (lack belief in God)?
Both - if my belief or lack thereof relevant to the action. For the record, the given examples of "lack of belief in god/belief in no god" are not relevant to any of my actions.

3. Do you think it is inconsistent for someone who "lacks belief" in God to work against God's existence by attempting to show that God doesn't exist?
No. His attempts to do so maybe dictated by other beliefs he may hold.

4. How sure are you that your atheism properly represents reality?
My atheism doesn't represent the whole of reality - just one aspect of it. And of that I'm as sure as I'm of the scientific method.


5. How sure are you that your atheism is correct?
See above.

6. How would you define what truth is?
Factual truth - the degree of correspondence between the proposition and reality as it is (e.g. the sun is a star).
Contextual truth - the degree of coherence between the proposition and other proposition made in the same context (e.g. according to Tolkeinverse, the sun is the last fruit produced by the tree Laurelin)


7. Why do you believe your atheism is a justifiable position to hold?
Yes.

8. Are you a materialist or a physicalist or what?
Realist.

9. Do you affirm or deny that atheism is a worldview? Why or why not?
Its not a worldview - it is just an aspect of a much larger worldview.

10. Not all atheists are antagonistic to Christianity but for those of you who are, why the antagonism?
Because its damaging and curtails critical thinking.


11. If you were at one time a believer in the Christian God, what caused you to deny his existence?
I was never a believer.

12. Do you believe the world would be better off without religion?
Yes.

13. Do you believe the world would be better off without Christianity?
Yes.

14. Do you believe that faith in a God or gods is a mental disorder?
Its mental alright, but it is too prevalent to be a disorder.

15. Must God be known through the scientific method?
If your particular iteration acts within the natural world, then yes.

16. If you answered yes to the previous question, then how do you avoid a category mistake by requiring material evidence for an immaterial God?
By pointing out the category error of claiming that something immaterial could affect the material. If your god can affect the material while being immaterial, then he can be known through material evidence.


17. Do we have any purpose as human beings?
As human beings - no. As a rational being capable of action - yes.


18. If we do have purpose, can you as an atheist please explain how that purpose is determined?
For some, through an in-depth consideration of one's own life, needs and facts of the the world we live in.
For other, they get it from fantastical bronze age literature.


19. Where does morality come from?
From a rational consideration of one's own needs, biological instincts, emotional imperatives and capabilities.

20. Are there moral absolutes?
No.

21. If there are moral absolutes, could you list a few of them?
N/A

22. Do you believe there is such a thing as evil? If so, what is it?
Negating someone's moral agency.

23. If you believe that the God of the Old Testament is morally bad, by what standard do you judge that he is bad?
By the standards of a rational moral system.

24. What would it take for you to believe in God?
A definition that is logically coherent and then evidence pertaining to its existence.

25. What would constitute sufficient evidence for God’s existence?
See above.


26. Must this evidence be rationally based, archaeological, testable in a lab, etc., or what?
It should be rational and verifiable - whether the verification happens in a lab or at a dig-site is irrelevant.

27. Do you think that a society that is run by Christians or atheists would be safer? Why?
I think society run by people who ascribe to a rational political theory would be safer. Their own personal beliefs regarding anything irrelevant are irrelevant.

28. Do you believe in free will? (free will being the ability to make choices without coercion).
Yes

29. If you believe in free will, do you see any problem with defending the idea that the physical brain, which is limited and subject to the neuro-chemical laws of the brain, can still produce free will choices?
No. Limitations placed by neuro-chemical laws is not coercion. Coercion would require a separate agency to do the coercing.

30. If you affirm evolution and that the universe will continue to expand forever, then do you think it is probable that given enough time, brains would evolve to the point of exceeding mere physical limitations and become free of the physical and temporal and thereby become "deity" and not be restricted by space and time? If not, why not?
I affirm evolution. I don't assume that the universe would continue to expand forever. Brains are fundamentally material in nature, so even if they do exceed their current physical limitations (which I am hoping for), I wouldn't regard them as having exceeded all physical limitations.


31. If you answered the previous question in the affirmative, then aren't you saying that it is probable that some sort of God exists?
While maintaining the whole idea is illogical - any such achievement would occur through natural means and thus the product would be natural - not supernatural, which is what a god is.
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RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
1. How would you define atheism?

Lack of belief in gods. I do not believe there is evidence for any gods, so I don't pray to any.

2. Do you act according to what you believe (there is no God) in or what you don't believe in (lack belief in God)?

I don't make claims that there is no god, since that keeps the burden of proof firmly on the theist's shoulders.

3. Do you think it is inconsistent for someone who "lacks belief" in God to work against God's existence by attempting to show that God doesn't exist?

No. We need to point out the holes in the books and religious teachings to help people realize that believing in one god isn't any more sensible than believing in another.

4. How sure are you that your atheism properly represents reality?

Atheism is a result of skepticism towards religion. The only representation of reality might be the logical conclusion of the best way to find the truth in something. By really examining it and realizing that there is no concrete evidence for the supernatural.

5. How sure are you that your atheism is correct?

So far I'm quite sure that there isn't enough evidence to say that Yahweh exists any more than the dozens of other gods I know of.

6. How would you define what truth is?

I'm not sure how to answer that.

7. Why do you believe your atheism is a justifiable position to hold?

Claims without evidence can be discarded without evidence. It's so rarely a good idea to just follow something blindly.

8. Are you a materialist or a physicalist or what?

I'm not sure.

9. Do you affirm or deny that atheism is a worldview? Why or why not?

I don't think it's a worldview, since the fact that I'm an atheist doesn't have much effect on my life. I don't do things because I'm an atheist. I just happen to be an atheist who does things.

10. Not all atheists are antagonistic to Christianity but for those of you who are, why the antagonism?

Because they're antagonistic against everyone who isn't a christian. Their bible tells them to be. If someone comes to you and claims you have no morals, and possibly threatens to kill you, what would your reaction be?

11. If you were at one time a believer in the Christian God, what caused you to deny his existence?

There are a lot of things that made me disagree with the teachings of Yahweh, but what really made me think he and Jesus didn't exist at all was looking into older religions and stories. Finding out that Yahweh was originally a minor deity in a pantheon of gods, and Jesus wasn't the first person who was supposedly born of a virgin and rose from the dead three days after he was killed.

12. Do you believe the world would be better off without religion?

Yes.

13. Do you believe the world would be better off without Christianity?

Yes

14. Do you believe that faith in a God or gods is a mental disorder?

No. That would be nurture. Not nature. Aside from our inherent superstitious leanings, but I don't think being superstitious is a disorder.

15. Must God be known through the scientific method?

The scientific method is the best means of finding out anything. We don't know everything, but if it's out there then science can eventually find it. Yahweh really never seemed like the guy who would want to hide from the world, yet the only thing we've found out about him outside the bible doesn't speak well of him.

16. If you answered yes to the previous question, then how do you avoid a category mistake by requiring material evidence for an immaterial God?

If he has any effect on a material universe, there should be evidence of him. If he doesn't, he may as well not exist.

17. Do we have any purpose as human beings?

That's a personal question. I have purpose. Do you?

18. If we do have purpose, can you as an atheist please explain how that purpose is determined?

Do you want to continue living? If yes, think about why. That's your purpose. Like I said, it's a personal question. My purpose is not your purpose.

19. Where does morality come from?

Life experiences.

20. Are there moral absolutes?

I'm not sure.

21. If there are moral absolutes, could you list a few of them?

Maybe something that helps far more people than it hurts, or vice versa.

22. Do you believe there is such a thing as evil? If so, what is it?

I think good and evil exist, but it's subjective. Except perhaps in extreme cases.

23. If you believe that the God of the Old Testament is morally bad, by what standard do you judge that he is bad?

My own judgement, coupled with society.

24. What would it take for you to believe in God?

Someone doing something that defies known laws of nature.

25. What would constitute sufficient evidence for God’s existence?

As far as Yahweh/Jesus is concerned, I guess doing the things he's said to have done in the book. Part waters, and raise the dead.

26. Must this evidence be rationally based, archaeological, testable in a lab, etc., or what?

It must be falsifiable.

27. Do you think that a society that is run by Christians or atheists would be safer? Why?

Secular countries tend to be better than theocratic ones. This is demonstrable fact.

28. Do you believe in free will? (free will being the ability to make choices without coercion).

I think so, though it could be debatable.

29. If you believe in free will, do you see any problem with defending the idea that the physical brain, which is limited and subject to the neuro-chemical laws of the brain, can still produce free will choices?

If free will exists, the brain must allow for it.

30. If you affirm evolution and that the universe will continue to expand forever, then do you think it is probable that given enough time, brains would evolve to the point of exceeding mere physical limitations and become free of the physical and temporal and thereby become "deity" and not be restricted by space and time? If not, why not?

The brain relies on chemicals and impulses, so I'm not sure if there can be a mind without it. We have yet to find anything that says otherwise, right?

31. If you answered the previous question in the affirmative, then aren't you saying that it is probable that some sort of God exists?

no.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
(September 14, 2014 at 3:47 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I'll just dismiss the belief out of hand until you can demonstrate the existence of the immaterial, and that god belongs in that set.
Here is an example of something immaterial: a hole.

What is your objection now?
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RE: Let's answer CARM's Questions for Atheists
Some of those questions are obviously statements disguised as questions. It's a weird form of push polling.
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