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Poll: Christains, do you believe in the Rapture
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Questions About the Rapture
#1
Questions About the Rapture
Rapture was not theology even discussed in the churches I grew-up in although one of those Churches was Presbyterian and some branches of the Presbyterians were the first to accept it. It's only been with the political rise Evangelical Christians and the Left Behind books that I heard about it at all. Since then I've seen it predicted and the date come and go a few times.

So I've been doing some poking around. As church doctrines go, it's a pretty new idea. Pre-20th Century references to it are extremely thin on the ground. It appears to be at best an 18th Century idea that didn't become anything approaching popular until the 19th. It's now as mainstream as it's ever been.


See The Rapture: A Popular but False Doctrine by Cecil Maranville and Wikipedia Rapture

So my question for Christians are:

1) Do you believe in the Rapture?

2) If so, how do you support it Biblicaly?

3) Why is this such a relatively recent idea?

[Edit] Thank to Beccs one more question:

4) Why is it primarily a U.S. Christian doctrine only?
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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#2
RE: Questions About the Rapture
As a non theist I can say I was raised Catholic and it certainly wasn't among our dogma.

In fact, I don't think many Christians outside the US believe in the concept of the rapture.
Dying to live, living to die.
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#3
RE: Questions About the Rapture
(September 28, 2014 at 8:18 pm)Beccs Wrote: As a non theist I can say I was raised Catholic and it certainly wasn't among our dogma.

In fact, I don't think many Christians outside the US believe in the concept of the rapture.

Why do we get all the "fun" Christians?
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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#4
RE: Questions About the Rapture
My grandmother believes in it, but I don't think I gave it much thought as a child. I don't think the preacher ever really talking about christians disappearing or rising into the sky. Or us being in the end times right now. Fo serious, yo.

My grandmother may be the exception to the rule in my old town.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#5
RE: Questions About the Rapture
IIRC, the 'end of the world' stuff is supposedly on a date no one will know according to Scripture.

So, my question is;


WTF ???
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#6
RE: Questions About the Rapture
Wait, shit, wasn't the rapture a couple days ago?
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#7
RE: Questions About the Rapture
(September 28, 2014 at 8:15 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Rapture was not theology even discussed in the churches I grew-up in although one of those Churches was Presbyterian and some branches of the Presbyterians were the first to accept it. It's only been with the political rise Evangelical Christians and the Left Behind books that I heard about it at all. Since then I've seen it predicted and the date come and go a few times.

So I've been doing some poking around. As church doctrines go, it's a pretty new idea. Pre-20th Century references to it are extremely thin on the ground. It appears to be at best an 18th Century idea that didn't become anything approaching popular until the 19th. It's now as mainstream as it's ever been.


See The Rapture: A Popular but False Doctrine by Cecil Maranville and Wikipedia Rapture

So my question for Christians are:

Quote:1) Do you believe in the Rapture?
yes

Quote:2) If so, how do you support it Biblically
The Koine Greek of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 uses the verb form ἁρπαγησόμεθα (harpagisometha), which means "we shall be caught up" or "taken away", with the connotation that this is a sudden event. The dictionary form of this Greek verb is harpazō (ἁρπάζω).[18] This use is also seen in such texts as Acts 8:39, 2Corinthians 12:2-4 and Revelation 12:5.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture

Quote:3) Why is this such a relatively recent idea?
The idea isn't new. it is apart of 1 thess 4. The doctrine (details) following the passage are what is 'new.'

Quote:4) Why is it primarily a U.S. Christian doctrine only?
It's not. All forms of christianity believe in the rapture, but the subsequent explaination as to what that means varies.
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#8
RE: Questions About the Rapture
(September 28, 2014 at 9:02 pm)Drich Wrote: 1) Do you believe in the Rapture? yes

[2) If so, how do you support it Biblically
The Koine Greek of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 uses the verb form ἁρπαγησόμεθα (harpagisometha), which means "we shall be caught up" or "taken away", with the connotation that this is a sudden event. The dictionary form of this Greek verb is harpazō (ἁρπάζω).[18] This use is also seen in such texts as Acts 8:39, 2Corinthians 12:2-4 and Revelation 12:5.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture

3) Why is this such a relatively recent idea?
The idea isn't new. it is apart of 1 thess 4. The doctrine (details) following the passage are what is 'new.'

4) Why is it primarily a U.S. Christian doctrine only?

It's not. All forms of christianity believe in the rapture, but the subsequent explaination as to what that means varies.
reformatted for clarity: my questions in bold and Drich's answers in italic.

Many many Christians will be surprised to hear that they believe in The Rapture. The Roman Catholics, The Eastern Orthodox Church, The Lutheran Church, The Anglicans, The Presbyterians, and the Seventh Day Adventist have all taken an official stance against any pre-trib rapture. Brief History and Speculation About the Rapture, by Mary Fairchild http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march20...nation.htm And there aren't any early church references to it at all.


It is the rapture I'm asking about not the second coming. Do you believe in The Rapture?
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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#9
RE: Questions About the Rapture
I've checked if I'm not alone many times growing just to make sure I'm not going to hell.
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#10
RE: Questions About the Rapture
(September 28, 2014 at 9:24 pm)Jenny A Wrote:
(September 28, 2014 at 9:02 pm)Drich Wrote: 1) Do you believe in the Rapture? yes

[2) If so, how do you support it Biblically
The Koine Greek of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 uses the verb form ἁρπαγησόμεθα (harpagisometha), which means "we shall be caught up" or "taken away", with the connotation that this is a sudden event. The dictionary form of this Greek verb is harpazō (ἁρπάζω).[18] This use is also seen in such texts as Acts 8:39, 2Corinthians 12:2-4 and Revelation 12:5.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture

3) Why is this such a relatively recent idea?
The idea isn't new. it is apart of 1 thess 4. The doctrine (details) following the passage are what is 'new.'

4) Why is it primarily a U.S. Christian doctrine only?

It's not. All forms of christianity believe in the rapture, but the subsequent explaination as to what that means varies.
reformatted for clarity: my questions in bold and Drich's answers in italic.

Many many Christians will be surprised to hear that they believe in The Rapture. The Roman Catholics, The Eastern Orthodox Church, The Lutheran Church, The Anglicans, The Presbyterians, and the Seventh Day Adventist have all taken an official stance against any pre-trib rapture. Brief History and Speculation About the Rapture, by Mary Fairchild http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march20...nation.htm And there aren't any early church references to it at all.


It is the rapture I'm asking about not the second coming. Do you believe in The Rapture?

Seriously? I am the only one who voted in Your poll, I voted yes and I answer yes to your first question. What about my single word answer is giving you so much trouble that you feel you need to ask me again?

Maybe carefully read what I wrote again, all your questions have already been answered.
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