Greetings from a Christian

[DramaQueen]

Can you see Alba from Ulster?

[genkaus]

1- it is true that the Catholic Church believed until and after Darwin that Creationism was true, but so did everyone else. The church is a human institution and we can't expect to know everything. As far as I know, vocal atheists have been around since the French Revolution but until Darwin came along (1860s was it?) everyone had their own theory of how they came to be. For example the hindus think that a lotus came from Vishnus navel and in it was the creator Brahma. With a lotus petal he created the earth.

No more ridiculous than any of the other creation myths. And FYI, not the only creation myth within Hinduism. That is, not all Hindus believe that particular myth.

2) I didn't want to be negative but you guys seriously have no idea what Hinduism is. 20000 innocent muslims were killed in a riot, and people were beaten for converting to christianity. One girl even got her face disfigured by acid. Police were involved. EVERY SINGLE HINDU hates homosexuals. There is a nationwide ban on gay marriage, and seriously unlike modern day catholics (who have gay friends) they are open about their hatred about them. But I understand that I can't base a whole group of people on the actions of a few. Saying so I don't wish to go on

Sounds like you are the one ignorant about Hinduism.

- 20,000 "innocent" muslims? Give me a break. Communal violence has perpetrators and causalities on both sides.
- The Christian conversions are accused of being done on basis of coercion, fraudulent representations and inducement - all of which are illegal.
- As it happens developing nations like India are no stranger to Christian violence either. Sectarian violence is a sad fact of the developing world - no one religion is to blame for it. All religions share the blame.

- EVERY SINGLE HINDU hates homosexuals? Really? That would come as a surprise to the thousands of pro-LGBT rights supporters who publicly protested the SC judgment on the matter. Here are a few facts about status of LGBT community in India:
- Hinduism itself is silent or ambivalent on the subject of homosexuality. Many aspects of Hindu cultural heritage sanction same-sex relations
- The anti-LGBT law is the remnant of British colonial rule. Meaning, it is the effect of Christianity and not endemic to Hinduism.
- The law itself is rarely implemented.
So, educate yourself a bit before making ridiculous claims like that.

3) the idea of atheism at birth is debatable but I kind of agree with it. But in my case I came to god because of science. I wondered why water- a liquid made exclusively of hydrogen and oxygen is the way it is; why only molecules of H2 and O2 were drinkable and unique among all substances. Why water hosted the first living things on earth. An accident that hydrogen and oxygen were meant to join and host microorganisms? I'd differ

Oh look, how perfectly the water puddle fits the hole it is in. Its almost as if the hole designed in that shape for the water.

Have you noticed how water freezes exactly at 0 degree celsius and boils at exactly 100 degrees? That can't be an accident. Surely it that behavior was designed to match the thermometer.

Have you noticed that the decimal system is based on 10 and we have 10 fingers and toes? Clearly, god is a fan of the decimal system which is why he designed us with 10 digits.

In short, you are doing science wrong.

4) complex organs in organisms. A leopard's eye, a cheetahs legs, the human brain computing thousands of stimuli and the functionality of organs. Evolution? Yes. But such intelligence in their designs.

An intelligent designer would've designed cheetahs to run longer and removed religion from human brains.

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I wouldn't call Christianity scapegoating, cannibalism whatever.
We believe God came into human form to take the punishment that everyone else should suffer individually. He knew what he had to do.

Punishing someone in someone else's stead is the definition of scapegoating.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Harsh.

[Dystopia]

God doesn't exist, therefore I'm an atheist. It's that simple.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

evasion noted

Im not from scotland so the saying doesnt mean a thing.

lol, what? You being serious?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman

1. You said christians aren't doing/don't do [x] (in this case, sacrificing people or animals)

2. I showed you definitive proof that this is false and, in fact, christians are doing that , today, right now, to children who they have labeled as witches based on Christian beliefs and doctrines or variants thereof.

3. You then claimed that, in a manner of speaking, they aren't following true Christianity and are thus not real christians (they're making up their own beliefs and ideas).

4. You have used the no true scotsman fallacy to disavow the evidence to allow your initial claim to hold true.

[Chas]

Wow impressed to see replies so fast. I'll try my best to aanswerin no particular order
1- it is true that the Catholic Church believed until and after Darwin that Creationism was true, but so did everyone else. The church is a human institution and we can't expect to know everything. As far as I know, vocal atheists have been around since the French Revolution but until Darwin came along (1860s was it?) everyone had their own theory of how they came to be. For example the hindus think that a lotus came from Vishnus navel and in it was the creator Brahma. With a lotus petal he created the earth. Which brings me to-

2) I didn't want to be negative but you guys seriously have no idea what Hinduism is. 20000 innocent muslims were killed in a riot, and people were beaten for converting to christianity. One girl even got her face disfigured by acid. Police were involved. EVERY SINGLE HINDU hates homosexuals. There is a nationwide ban on gay marriage, and seriously unlike modern day catholics (who have gay friends) they are open about their hatred about them. But I understand that I can't base a whole group of people on the actions of a few. Saying so I don't wish to go on

3) the idea of atheism at birth is debatable but I kind of agree with it. But in my case I came to god because of science. I wondered why water- a liquid made exclusively of hydrogen and oxygen is the way it is; why only molecules of H2 and O2 were drinkable and unique among all substances. Why water hosted the first living things on earth. An accident that hydrogen and oxygen were meant to join and host microorganisms? I'd differ

4) complex organs in organisms. A leopard's eye, a cheetahs legs, the human brain computing thousands of stimuli and the functionality of organs. Evolution? Yes. But such intelligence in their designs.

If you took the time to read this hats off! I know you'll ask why I believe in Christian doctrines, but not now. Its night here where I live. If this thread still exists in the morning maybe . . .

That is an argument from ignorance. Learn about chemistry and evolution; those questions have actual answers.

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You know I believe human beings are still killed today in abortion clinics, thats what I call scrapegoating.

Yes, doctors have been murdered by whackadoodles like you.

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Im not from scotland so the saying doesnt mean a thing.

No, it's because you are ignorant and unwilling to learn what it means.

[C4RM5]

Im not from scotland so the saying doesnt mean a thing.

lol, what? You being serious?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No_True_Scotsman

1. You said christians aren't doing/don't do [x] (in this case, sacrificing people or animals)

2. I showed you definitive proof that this is false and, in fact, christians are doing that , today, right now, to children who they have labeled as witches based on Christian beliefs and doctrines or variants thereof.

3. You then claimed that, in a manner of speaking, they aren't following true Christianity and are thus not real christians (they're making up their own beliefs and ideas).

4. You have used the no true scotsman fallacy to disavow the evidence to allow your initial claim to hold true.

I never said they weren't doing it, I said I don't agree with it.

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Can you see Alba from Ulster?

All I know is that the landmass I can see is scotland, I don't know which part.

[Crossless2.0]

I never said they weren't doing it, I said I don't agree with it.

Fine, are they true Christians?

[C4RM5]

I believe what devines a Christian as a Christian is if they believe in Jesus, I don't know if they do. The act they are committing is not Christian like. Throught the old testament God destroyed nations because they sacraficed children.

[bladevalant546]

I going to jump in real fast. I see the no true scotsman thrown out little bit to liberally with out actual understanding what it really means. When you break it down, if a person does not have the genetics of a scotsman then we can say that person is not a scotsman regardless if they act like it.

Now, how this pertains to christians killing babies or children. Well considering reading the NT it seem pretty clear that child mutilation and slaughter IS NOT a tenant of the christian faith. Unlike muslims which have Hadiths, the tenants according to Jesus are pretty straight forward. So, yea i would not call those people real christians, considering they are ignoring fundamentals of their religion. Perhaps a crazy offshoot but not really. Because, at that rate a anyone can call themselves anything and "they would be that" but the way i am seeing the no true scotsman fallacy being thrown around.