Abortion not allowed

[C4RM5]

Abortion
The termination of a pregnancy.
Dilatation and Extraction, D&X, (Partial Birth Abortion)
The baby is delivered feet first. The head is left inside the birth canal. A sharp instrument is used to puncture the rear of the skull at the base, and the brains are sucked out. Once dead, the baby is fully delivered.
Dilatation & Curettage (D&C)
Abortive procedure where the abortionist inserts a curved knife into the placenta and cuts the baby up into pieces before it is suctioned out. Done in the first trimester.
Dilatation & Evacuation
An abortive procedure where an abortionist inserts a pliers-like instrument into the uterus. The abortionist then grabs whatever part of the baby it comes in contact with. Then, by twisting and pulling, the baby is dismembered, killed, and pulled from the womb.
Mifepristone or Mifeprex (RU-486)
A pill taken after conception that stops the absorption of Progesterone, a hormone necessary for sustaining pregnancy. Taken with misoprostol, it causes the uterus to contract and eject the newly conceived baby.
Partial Birth Abortion
An abortive method where all the baby is delivered except the head. With its body outside of the vaginal canal, the doctor then uses a sharp instrument to pierce the back of the skull of the baby and scramble the brains--killing it. Then the baby is fully delivered.
Pregnancy Reduction
An abortive method of reducing the number of babies in the womb (twins, triplets, etc.,) by injecting a poison into the heart of one or more of the babies while still in the womb.
Saline Amniocentesis
An abortive method where a highly concentrated salt solution is injected into the placenta. The baby takes the salt into the lungs as well as swallowing it. After more than an hour, the baby dies, and the mother delivers the body a day or two later

[DramaQueen]

I meant a biology textbook

[Esquilax]

He didn't and won't read a textbook, he said it

I have read a text book I made an entire post with info from it.

Yeah, for some reason you decided a christian ethics textbook has anything to say about biology. Gee, I can't imagine what biases would filter through a christian ethics textbook.

And again, who are you going to believe on matters of biology: trained biologists, or untrained nobodies writing christian ethics books?

[Bad Wolf]

Yes and no

I'm not going to drop this. Just admit were wrong on that point, or are you too embarrased that an atheist knows more about your own bible than you do?

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I have read a text book I made an entire post with info from it.

Really? What text book? Give us the name, the author and the date it was published.

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Abortion
The termination of a pregnancy.
Dilatation and Extraction, D&X, (Partial Birth Abortion)
The baby is delivered feet first. The head is left inside the birth canal. A sharp instrument is used to puncture the rear of the skull at the base, and the brains are sucked out. Once dead, the baby is fully delivered.
Dilatation & Curettage (D&C)
Abortive procedure where the abortionist inserts a curved knife into the placenta and cuts the baby up into pieces before it is suctioned out. Done in the first trimester.
Dilatation & Evacuation
An abortive procedure where an abortionist inserts a pliers-like instrument into the uterus. The abortionist then grabs whatever part of the baby it comes in contact with. Then, by twisting and pulling, the baby is dismembered, killed, and pulled from the womb.
Mifepristone or Mifeprex (RU-486)

A pill taken after conception that stops the absorption of Progesterone, a hormone necessary for sustaining pregnancy. Taken with misoprostol, it causes the uterus to contract and eject the newly conceived baby.
Partial Birth Abortion
An abortive method where all the baby is delivered except the head. With its body outside of the vaginal canal, the doctor then uses a sharp instrument to pierce the back of the skull of the baby and scramble the brains--killing it. Then the baby is fully delivered.
Pregnancy Reduction
An abortive method of reducing the number of babies in the womb (twins, triplets, etc.,) by injecting a poison into the heart of one or more of the babies while still in the womb.
Saline Amniocentesis
An abortive method where a highly concentrated salt solution is injected into the placenta. The baby takes the salt into the lungs as well as swallowing it. After more than an hour, the baby dies, and the mother delivers the body a day or two later

Where the hell did you get this information from?

[C4RM5]

If you look back through my previous posts I have already done this.

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I have read a text book I made an entire post with info from it.

Yeah, for some reason you decided a christian ethics textbook has anything to say about biology. Gee, I can't imagine what biases would filter through a christian ethics textbook.

And again, who are you going to believe on matters of biology: trained biologists, or untrained nobodies writing christian ethics books?

I think you know my answer.

[Bad Wolf]

What you said, doesn't make any sense. Who are you responding to?

[DramaQueen]

Your opinion about something you don't understand anything about doesn't matter to me

[Mister Agenda]

No. There's a distinction to be made between human being and person. Personhood draws in all sorts of other considerations, which is a deliberate attempt to muddy the discussion. That is: sentience, self awareness. Conception is the beginning of the human life cycle. A human is created at that point.

Yes, a human is, but not a human being.

hu·man be·ing
noun
a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

per·son/ˈpərs(ə)n/
noun
1.a human being regarded as an individual.

I'm not the one trying to muddy the discussion.

Mothers with unborn babies that were both killed isn't immoral?

How wouldn't it be immoral? What thought process could possibly guide you reasonably to the idea that I or Esquire wouldn't consider it immoral?

I guess Esq is on Gods side in that judgement then.

Why should either of us consider something wrong merely because believers think God considers something right? Do you suppose our position is to always think the opposite of whatever God is supposed to think? I believe you're capable of deeper thinking than this.

Why is the taking of life always wrong? This is what Esq says.

I doubt you're accurately representing Esquire.

It's ALWAYS wrong. But only sentient life.

See how those two sentences are at odds with each other? Doesn't sound like Esquire. It certainly sounds like you, misrepresenting him though.

Why is that wrong? Why can't it ever be just to take life?

It can be, so...where does that leave your point?

Why is human sentience valued above other animal sentience?

We're wired to care about our fellow humans more than other animals, just like chimps and gorillas are wired to care more about their fellows dying than other animals. That doesn't mean we should. I like moral agency as a divider between what we treat as murder and what we treat as mere killing, but in light of obvious reasons to be biased, I have to wonder whether that is just a cover to justify unfair moral sentiments.

I would agree that humans can't judge any other human... because we simply lack the knowledge to make that decision. God, in having that knowledge, can. Even on a one millisecond old sentient baby.

Or so you imagine.

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Yea a majority of people on this website have sworn at me and said I was a monster because I like the idea of everyone having a chance at life.

I was hoping you were prone to hyperbole rather than outright lying. I am disappoint.

[Esquilax]

If you look back through my previous posts I have already done this.

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Yeah, for some reason you decided a christian ethics textbook has anything to say about biology. Gee, I can't imagine what biases would filter through a christian ethics textbook.

And again, who are you going to believe on matters of biology: trained biologists, or untrained nobodies writing christian ethics books?

I think you know my answer.

Yes, I do. You'll happily take the ignorance over the knowledge, so long as it doesn't challenge you in any way.

What a sad, sad waste of a mind.

[Mister Agenda]

No not at all, I believe I can sit in a chair without it breaking, I don't have any facts does that mean it is not true?

If you think you don't have facts regarding the probability of a chair you're about to sit in breaking, you haven't thought your statement through at all.