(October 10, 2014 at 7:04 pm)Jenny A Wrote:Again, we Humans have been told that we are not the sum of our bodies and vice-versa. These types of questions are designed to illicit a pre-determined response, or at least one that mostly agrees with the origin of its impetus. You and I may as well be speaking different languages, never seeking to learn that of the other, thus rendering our conversation fruitless, and at times frustrating.(October 10, 2014 at 6:30 pm)ShaMan Wrote: I said any living thing that comes into being. Your fingernail is dead tissue.
If I donate my kidney? Is that a human being. It's alive, and it has my DNA.
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  (October 10, 2014 at 7:08 pm)ShaMan Wrote:(October 10, 2014 at 7:04 pm)Jenny A Wrote: If I donate my kidney? Is that a human being. It's alive, and it has my DNA.Again, we Humans have been told that we are not the sum of our bodies and vice-versa. These types of questions are designed to illicit a pre-determined response, or at least one that mostly agrees with the origin of its impetus. You and I may as well be speaking different languages, never seeking to learn that of the other, thus rendering our conversation fruitless, and at times frustrating. "We humans have been told" by whom?
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method. 
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (October 10, 2014 at 7:08 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Again, we Humans have been told that we are not the sum of our bodies and vice-versa. These types of questions are designed to illicit a pre-determined response, or at least one that mostly agrees with the origin of its impetus. You and I may as well be speaking different languages, never seeking to learn that of the other, thus rendering our conversation fruitless, and at times frustrating. Well then maybe you should just stop talking, how about that? You obviously aren't going to be swayed by anything.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech RE: Abortion not allowed
October 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm
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(October 10, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:(bold added)(October 10, 2014 at 7:04 pm)ShaMan Wrote: If you're talking to me, then I'm afraid that I've answered all of your questions. perhaps you should look to your frustration with those answers rather than my apparent inability to provide you with answers that agree with your pre-determined conclusion. Clearly, you've pre-determined that my answers should contain these elements. I'm not projecting, I'm perceptive. (October 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Well then maybe you should just stop talking, how about that? You obviously aren't going to be swayed by anything.That is always the response. "Shut up because we disagree." I'm learning the atheist trick of surround, ridicule, and then silence. Very tidy system, I must say. Extremely pathetic, but tidy none the less. (October 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm)ShaMan Wrote:(October 10, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: My predetermined conclusions? Projecting much? My argument is based on reason, logic and evidence while yours lacks all three.(bold added) We can't have a reasoned discussion if you won't use reason. I am not the least interested in your perceptive unreason.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (October 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (bold added) So lets just summarise here. You think abortions are bad because you think foetuses are human beings and killing human beings is bad. Yet you offer no evidence or reasoning for this and your definition of a human being is indistinguishable from my foot which makes it obsolete. You are both obnoxious and misguided. Now please go away and let us actually discuss the subject.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (October 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm)ShaMan Wrote: That is always the response. "Shut up because we disagree." No, its shut up because your reasoning is faulty and we have explained this to you multiple times and yet you ignore it. (October 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm)ShaMan Wrote: I'm learning the atheist trick of surround, ridicule, and then silence. Very tidy system, I must say. Extremely pathetic, but tidy none the less. Atheism has nothing to do with abortion, if you honestly believe that then you are misguided and apply the same level of reason and evidence to this than you do with the abortion issue.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech (October 10, 2014 at 7:14 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: You are both obnoxious and misguided. Now please go away and let us actually discuss the subject.Insults and excusing me from the room - classic. This is a discussion board, and all opinions are welcome. Shall I begin bashing you now because I disagree with you? RE: Abortion not allowed
October 10, 2014 at 7:19 pm
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(October 10, 2014 at 7:16 pm)ShaMan Wrote:(October 10, 2014 at 7:13 pm)Chas Wrote: We can't have a reasoned discussion if you won't use reason. I am not the least interested in your perceptive unreason.Then please feel free to ignore me. I did not invite you to respond in the first place. It's a public atheist forum, I don't need an invitation. Expect reason, evidence, and skepticism to be the norm. Your attitude is really ridiculous given where you are. Feel free to continue to expose yourself to criticism for offering nonsense instead of thought.
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