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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 10, 2014 at 5:05 pm
Drama Queen, you test the water by sticking you pinkey in it.
When you have an experience, you no longer have theory.
That is how it was for me.
Proving out page one of the directions, led me to think the other pages are correct.
Then, as time and experience progressed, that understanding was confirmed repeatedly.
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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 10, 2014 at 5:12 pm
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(October 10, 2014 at 4:38 pm)Chas Wrote: (October 10, 2014 at 12:56 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I do this regularly during meditation. I can assure you that the process and beneficial results are very real. Are you claiming that you "align your chakras"? Yes. It's a matter of successively moving your locus of consciousness to each energy center and bringing them all together to one 'place'.
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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 10, 2014 at 5:13 pm
Same can be said about other religions
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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 10, 2014 at 5:16 pm
(October 10, 2014 at 5:12 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (October 10, 2014 at 4:38 pm)Chas Wrote: Are you claiming that you "align your chakras"? Yes. It's a matter of successively moving your locus of consciousness to each energy center and bringing them all together to one 'place'.
There is no evidence of the existence of chakras or of energy centers in the human body.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 10, 2014 at 10:53 pm
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(October 10, 2014 at 9:10 am)RobbyPants Wrote: That didn't address any of my concerns. I even put them in handy bullet points to make them stand out.
- How do you know the promises mean anything when the author had no audience when the promise was made? He could be lying and it could be empty.
again we know the bible is valid because it is a map that puts a believer before God.
The Holy Spirit legitimizes the bible.
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How do you know the promises mean anything when the author claims divine revelation? He could be lying and it could be empty.
Because following the instructions of Christ puts you with God.
Verification or proof of God and the bible is found literally with the Holy Spirit.
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How do you know that any dissenting view point is automatically false?
again, if A person claims divine inspiration and tell you if you do ABC you will literally be given a direct line of communication to the living God, and you do it, and you receive what you have been promised then everything That person said speaking on the behalf of God then becomes legit. Because God has given that person the key to communication with Him, and the responsiablity to share it.
Quote:You aren't allowed to even discuss it.
Your promises are built on presupposition, and nothing more.
What is being presupposed here?[/quote]
(October 10, 2014 at 1:28 pm)genkaus Wrote: (October 10, 2014 at 12:56 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I do this regularly during meditation. I can assure you that the process and beneficial results are very real.
You should know by now that I don't buy assurances.
(October 10, 2014 at 1:15 pm)Drich Wrote: You do not see the benfit of having God's ear? To ask Him anything and get an answer. to receive direction, support and love?
To have the Holy Spirit in your life is to have God directly involved in your day to day.
So what is the benefit of all this?
[ (October 10, 2014 at 1:15 pm)Drich Wrote: Either you don't know what it is to align your chakras or you have been reading what we are talking about.
Why yes, its option no. 2 - I have been reading what you are talking about.
What is the benfit of having God in your day to day life?
The stock answer is found in gal 5:22-23.
My personal experience goes much deeper than that.
Confidence, assureance, wisdom, deliverance, that extends to my personal, religious and professional life. I have met with sucess over impossible obsticals, not once or twice but to the point where The impossible becomes the everyday.
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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 11, 2014 at 6:01 am
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(October 10, 2014 at 5:05 pm)professor Wrote: Drama Queen, you test the water by sticking you pinkey in it.
When you have an experience, you no longer have theory.
Certainly there are experiences which make a great impression. But I think the most you can conclude is that said experience has confirmed the value of something. I've always failed to see how any of that could possibly involve a book such as a bible.
I would say you had a value confirming experience which went to ground through the bible which has always been held up to you as the Truth. That something has value to you is beyond question if you are sincere. That it is the bible is something you would do well to question critically. It would be a shame to misunderstand in what the value you apprehended adhered by rashly jumping to a conclusion and then irrationally shielding it from any attempt at rational inquiry.
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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 11, 2014 at 6:55 am
(October 10, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Drich Wrote: again we know the bible is valid because it is a map that puts a believer before God.
The Holy Spirit legitimizes the bible.
And can you legitimize the holy spirit without the bible?
(October 10, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Drich Wrote: Because following the instructions of Christ puts you with God.
Verification or proof of God and the bible is found literally with the Holy Spirit.
Great. Get his ass to court. Let's hear from him.
(October 10, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Drich Wrote: again, if A person claims divine inspiration and tell you if you do ABC you will literally be given a direct line of communication to the living God, and you do it, and you receive what you have been promised then everything That person said speaking on the behalf of God then becomes legit. Because God has given that person the key to communication with Him, and the responsiablity to share it.
Now all you have to do is prove you have a direct line of communication.
(October 10, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Drich Wrote: What is the benfit of having God in your day to day life?
The stock answer is found in gal 5:22-23.
Not much of a benefit. You can find all that and more without your god. Buddhists have those qualities in much more abundance than your Christians. You, on the other hand, don't seem to have much in the way of goodness or gentleness or self-control.
(October 10, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Drich Wrote: My personal experience goes much deeper than that.
Confidence, assureance, wisdom, deliverance, that extends to my personal, religious and professional life.
Wisdom? Really? I haven't seen any from you yet.
(October 10, 2014 at 10:53 pm)Drich Wrote: I have met with sucess over impossible obsticals, not once or twice but to the point where The impossible becomes the everyday.
What about grammar? Why won't your holy spirit help you overcome that impossible obstacle?
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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 11, 2014 at 9:36 am
(October 10, 2014 at 5:16 pm)Chas Wrote: (October 10, 2014 at 5:12 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Yes. It's a matter of successively moving your locus of consciousness to each energy center and bringing them all together to one 'place'.
There is no evidence of the existence of chakras or of energy centers in the human body. You won't find any evidence for beer in someone's fridge unless you look inside, your ignorance and cock-douchery not withstanding.
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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 11, 2014 at 9:38 am
(October 11, 2014 at 9:36 am)ChadWooters Wrote: (October 10, 2014 at 5:16 pm)Chas Wrote: There is no evidence of the existence of chakras or of energy centers in the human body. You won't find any evidence for beer in someone's fridge unless you look inside, your ignorance and cock-douchery not withstanding.
But we have looked inside - many times. That is what thousands of surgeons do every day. Still no chakras.
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RE: Why do Christians trust the Bible?
October 11, 2014 at 9:39 am
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(October 11, 2014 at 6:55 am)genkaus Wrote: And can you legitimize the holy spirit without the bible? Can you legitimize quarks without a particle accelerator?
(October 11, 2014 at 9:38 am)genkaus Wrote: (October 11, 2014 at 9:36 am)ChadWooters Wrote: You won't find any evidence for beer in someone's fridge unless you look inside, your ignorance and cock-douchery not withstanding.
But we have looked inside - many times. That is what thousands of surgeons do every day. Still no chakras. People take apart computers every day, no evidence of software in there.
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