What do you think of GMO's?

[Creed of Heresy]

Organic foods: For people who like paying twice as much for half as much.

Give me a GMO tomato over an organic one any day. GMO tomatoes: Big, juicy, and tasty. Organic tomatoes: Small, wrinkled, covered in pits, creases, dry as hell, and lacking in flavor other than "earthy at best."

GMO bananas: Sweet and succulent. Organic bananas: Shriveled like Bush's dick.

GMO: The result of scientific, technological, and economic progress.

Organic: The result of a bunch of paranoid fools- oh wait I already used that term. Uh. Fuck. The result of regressionism. There we go.

[CapnAwesome]

Oh god, everybody I know in real life is on the anti-GMO bandwagon, but it's basically an anti-science position made by left wingers. The whole organic movement is basically a movement to move everyone back to subsistence farming. No thanks!

[Creed of Heresy]

I am not going to read the entire thread, so I apologize if this has been said or not.

My thought is there probably is nothing wrong with them, health wise. I will tend to choose non-GMO if there isn't much difference in price.

But my main problem is, that the primary reason for GMOs is so companies like Monsanto (an evil company for other reasons), can create plants that will be more resistant to their herbicides and insecticides, which are known to be toxic to humans and other animals, and the environment.

So, they create a vertical monopoly, where farmers buy their seeds, then have to buy their herbicides and insecticides in order to grow the plants.

While not GMO related, they also: create terminator seeds (seed that do not propagate from season to season), patent genetic material, still create chemicals that were banned in the US due to known health and environmental problems and export them to other countries. None of these is ethical behavior, IMO.

Dupont is not much better.

Well first, those are issues of market regulations not being sufficient to protect the consumers and mid-tier producers, and second, those herbicides and insecticides are well within safety standards; our livers process out those chemicals very easily, and if it's really such a big concern...just rinse your fucking produce before you eat it. That removes pretty much all the residual chemicals. Besides, you think "organic" alternatives are any safer? Don't kid yourself.

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Oh god, everybody I know in real life is on the anti-GMO bandwagon, but it's basically an anti-science position made by left wingers. The whole organic movement is basically a movement to move everyone back to subsistence farming. No thanks!

Yeah, I'm normally a left-leaner but in this case, this is a product of the FOF-suffering yuppies, hippies, and subservient soccer mommies who feel the need to underequip their childrens' immune systems by sterilizing every last fucking thing in their house.

[vorlon13]

There's a herbicide called Callisto. I use it on my farm. Many years ago someone noticed that while grass will grow under a walnut tree, hardly anything else will. Turns out the walnut tree roots put Callisto into the soil and that kills competing broadleaf plants. The farm herbicide companies took notice and duplicated the walnut trees trick.

Seems like Callisto otta be labeled natural, organic, green, whatever. But it isn't.

Why ?

[bennyboy]

I'm fine with GMO, so long as it's produced as actual food, not just good-tasting, low-nutrition shit.

GMO can lead to better nutrition, lower costs, and even less harm to the environment. It can also lead to new tastes and textures that have never been experienced by humans before.

I'm all for it, but not as a free-market, unsupervised wilderness.

[The Grand Nudger]

Processing Vorlon. It's the method of it's manufacture, the origin of the product, not necessarily the ingredients (applies to all pesticides under the organic umbrella).

[Creed of Heresy]

I'm not a fan of "free market" in general. The market should be free...to an extent. We should have learned our lesson by this point in time as to when greed should be kept in check.

[vorlon13]

Processing Vorlon. It's the method of it's manufacture, the origin of the product, not necessarily the ingredients (applies to all pesticides under the organic umbrella).

It's the same molecule. If the facility making it is safe (or if not, at a safe remove from my field) why the problem if I'm killing weeds with it to grow more food for everybody ?

I don't like the stigma being applied to callisto (and other bio-derived products such as there may be) by the green movement. It's a green product, users of it are doing right by using it, and in wanting more products similarly discovered.

[The Grand Nudger]

The green movement both stigmatizes -and- avails itself of those products. Organics have their own stable of triketone allelochemicals. That particular -brand- is blacklisted. Certification isn;t structured around molecules. Point of origin and then processing. That's all that's in play with regards to ag inputs in certified organics.

You could plant bottle brush...lol, but then you've planted a weed to control the weeds...lol. What do you produce, btw. Hay and silage? Or is this just to keep the grounds neat?

[vorlon13]

Corn and soy.

One would think the tofu set would love me.

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You shouldn't eat too many uncooked soybeans, and I don't, but some varieties are pretty tasty right from the pod.