Call to recognize jihad as crime against humanity

[mralstoner]

And to outlaw the flags of jihad, caliphate, and Islamic State as symbols of hate and intolerance.

The logical question follows: is the Koran also a book of hate and intolerance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwkuifwjdBg

For the record, according to Dr. Bill Warner:

- The Islamic texts contain more Jew hatred (9%) than Mein Kampf (7%)

- The majority of Islamic texts are not devoted to inner character development, but are about how to treat non-Muslims

- 80% of Mohammed's biography is devoted to war/harm to kafirs (non-Muslims)

- 30% of Islamic texts are devoted to jihad (violence for the spread of Islam)

- There are 90 verses in the Koran which implore Muslims to imitate the prophet Mohammed. He is the perfect role model, for all Muslims, for all time.

- In a nine year period Mohammed personally attended 27 raids. There were 38 other battles and expeditions. This is a total of 65 armed events, not including assassinations and executions, for an average of one violent event every six weeks.

[Lemonvariable72]

BUT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vorlon13]

Call to recognize Islam as crime against humanity



There, fixed the topic for you.

[Brian37]

Why should we turn thugs and mere murderers into ideological heros? It's like turning the KKK into heros.

[Lemonvariable72]

Why should we turn thugs and mere murderers into ideological heros? It's like turning the KKK into heros.

By making jihad a crime against humanity its makes them heroes? Does not follow.

[Mystic]

لَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ أَنْ تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ {8}
[Shakir 60:8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.
إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَىٰ إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَنْ تَوَلَّوْهُمْ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ {9}
[Shakir 60:9] Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَنْ قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا ۚ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِنْهُمْ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ {32}
[Shakir 5:32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.


إِلَّا الَّذِينَ يَصِلُونَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُمْ مِيثَاقٌ أَوْ جَاءُوكُمْ حَصِرَتْ صُدُورُهُمْ أَنْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ أَوْ يُقَاتِلُوا قَوْمَهُمْ ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَسَلَّطَهُمْ عَلَيْكُمْ فَلَقَاتَلُوكُمْ ۚ فَإِنِ اعْتَزَلُوكُمْ فَلَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ وَأَلْقَوْا إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَمَ فَمَا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ سَبِيلًا {90}
[Shakir 4:90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَىٰ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِنْدَ اللَّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ كُنْتُمْ مِنْ قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا {94}
[Shakir 4:94] O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do.

وَإِنْ جَنَحُوا لِلسَّلْمِ فَاجْنَحْ لَهَا وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ {61}
[Shakir 8:61] And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.


وَعِبَادُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الَّذِينَ يَمْشُونَ عَلَى الْأَرْضِ هَوْنًا وَإِذَا خَاطَبَهُمُ الْجَاهِلُونَ قَالُوا سَلَامًا {63}
[Shakir 25:63] And the servants of the Beneficent Allah are they who walk on the earth in humbleness, and when the ignorant address them, they say: Peace.

[Brian37]

Why should we turn thugs and mere murderers into ideological heros? It's like turning the KKK into heros.

By making jihad a crime against humanity its makes them heroes? Does not follow.

"Jihad" to the violent fucks is an ideology they think will lead to a greater good. By persecuting them as if they are fighting a war on the moral right side of history, you are allowing them to paint themselves as heros rather than face them with the fact that they are just thugs.

I have no problem going after them, but as thugs, criminals. It isn't your intent but the language in it. You call it a war rather than a crime(yes it should be prosecuted at an international scale) you give them a ideology to fight for. If it is not worth fighting for, and we know they are simply criminals, do not elevate them to an army. I do not want them thinking they are fighting for a greater good.

If they are small minded, and they are, then don't call it a war, call it a crime. An international crime yes, but don't call it a war. Small minds need to be treated as small minds.

[Anomalocaris]

Call to recognize Islam as crime against humanity



There, fixed the topic for you.

Agreed, but only if such an act does not facilitate additional opportunistic christian expansion.

I suspect the most entheusiastic proponents of this course of action would be christains who smell a opportunity to aggrandize their brand of evil at the expense of the Islamic brand.

[Christian]

Shush! Just because Muslims are psychopaths doesn't mean Muslim's are psychopaths!

[Thumpalumpacus]

Shush! Just because Muslims are psychopaths doesn't mean Muslim's are psychopaths!

Holy crap, a Christian bigot? Who'd believe me if I told them?!