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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 2:42 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2014 at 2:47 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Hmn, maybe some more bait would help? Some atheists don't deny that at all (you've seen that in the thread, some in jest, some to express just how many shits they give about your question - but some, likely at least partly accepting this statement). If you'd like, I'll be that atheist that claims that we are indeed "just biorobots". It's a recurring discussion on the boards, and I've been pretty committed to it in the past - I won't leave you hanging..lol.
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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 2:55 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2014 at 2:57 pm by robvalue.)
I think ChadWooters is still misunderstanding what atheism is. Atheism does not deny the possibility of a god, the divine (whatever that is) or anything else. So it is not shutting out any possibilities. It does not logically lead to any other position.
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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 3:30 pm
(November 3, 2014 at 11:04 am)ChadWooters Wrote: [...] but it seems to serve many very well as a springboard for various doctrines like naturalism, moral relativism, and fatalism.
I think those views are correlated with, but not caused by, atheism.
I know for myself that my views on the nonexistence of gods and my views on the relativity of morality, for instance, are both rooted in my epistemology of rational consideration of evidence and phenomena.
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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 3:38 pm
(November 3, 2014 at 1:27 pm)dimaniac Wrote: (November 3, 2014 at 11:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: And second, how do you justify putting the word 'just' in front of something as amazing as a 'biorobot'? Nothing amazing about mortal body
Wow, you're the most completely jaded person I've ever encountered.
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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 3:52 pm
(November 3, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: ...my views on the nonexistence of gods and my views on the relativity of morality, for instance, are both rooted in my epistemology of rational consideration of evidence and phenomena. A very laudable approach to epistemology although you know i disagree with your conclusion. So in your mind atheism is something to which you reason, not something from which you reason.
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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 3:55 pm
(November 3, 2014 at 3:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: So in your mind atheism is something to which you reason, not something from which you reason.
That's what we've been trying to tell you. Atheism isn't a worldview. It's the result of an epistemological stance.
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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 3:58 pm
(November 3, 2014 at 2:55 pm)robvalue Wrote: Atheism does not deny the possibility of a god, the divine (whatever that is) or anything else. So it is not shutting out any possibilities. It does not logically lead to any other position. So, likewise you are of the opinion that atheism something to which you reason and not a position from which you reason, i.e. a conclusion only.
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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 3:58 pm
(November 3, 2014 at 3:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: A very laudable approach to epistemology although you know i disagree with your conclusion. So in your mind atheism is something to which you reason, not something from which you reason.
You're only just figuring this out? When was the last time you had a discussion on this forum, and the reason one of the atheists gave you for why they'd reached a naturalistic conclusion was "because atheism is true," rather than... you know, an actual supporting reason?
That's what I find so strange about your position here; you say that atheism entails all these extra things, but a brief look at the actual discussions people have here reveals that actually, there are justifications present based on observations of the world that have nothing to do with atheism, naturalism etc, and everything to do with those specific observations?
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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 4:00 pm
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(November 3, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (November 3, 2014 at 3:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: So in your mind atheism is something to which you reason, not something from which you reason.
That's what we've been trying to tell you. Atheism isn't a worldview. It's the result of an epistemological stance. Here's what confuses me. I have exactly the same epidemiological stance, apply reason to experience, and yet I reach a different conclusion, i.e. God exists. Why then, is my belief in God a worldview and your opposite conclusion not one? Moreover, having reached that conclusion I can carry that over as the premise of further inquiry. Why are atheists incapable of doing the same?
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RE: Why do atheists deny that they are just biorobots?
November 3, 2014 at 4:03 pm
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(November 3, 2014 at 4:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (November 3, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Faith No More Wrote: That's what we've been trying to tell you. Atheism isn't a worldview. It's the result of an epistemological stance. Here's what confuses me. I have exactly the same epidemiological stance, apply reason to experience, and yet I reach a different conclusion, i.e. God exists. Why then, is my belief in God a worldview and your opposite conclusion not one?
It isn't.
Theism isn't a worldview any more than atheism is. Your specific flavor of Christianity is, however, as is secular humanism.
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