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My naive questions
#51
RE: My naive questions
Pumps a lot of things, clearly.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#52
RE: My naive questions
(November 15, 2014 at 1:12 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Pumps a lot of things, clearly.

But only one thing's worth pumping.
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#53
RE: My naive questions
Certainly more productive.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#54
RE: My naive questions
(November 15, 2014 at 12:26 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(November 15, 2014 at 6:46 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It seems all humans already have some notion of what God is without learning about him or her. (God is not a man).

Apparently, the authors of the Bible didn't know this.

From the original texts Islamic scholars think that the holy spirit is female. The creative force. Christians agree.
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#55
RE: My naive questions
(November 15, 2014 at 1:57 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(November 15, 2014 at 12:26 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Apparently, the authors of the Bible didn't know this.

From the original texts Islamic scholars think that the holy spirit is female. The creative force. Christians agree.

Christians agree to what, that the Holy Spirit is the creative force or it's female or both?

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#56
RE: My naive questions
(November 15, 2014 at 1:57 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: From the original texts Islamic scholars think that the holy spirit is female.
The early Muslims misunderstood the Trinity to be mother, father and son. It's an understandable mistake but nonetheless an embarrassing error considering the text was supposed to be divinely inspired.

Quote:Christians agree.
No, they don't uniformly agree. There are so many factions of Christianity that you can't make a blanket statement like "Christians agree" on much of anything.

Further, until you just said so, I've not known any Christians who think The Holy Spirit is female. Descriptions I've heard is that "The Holy Spirit" is supposed to be the part of God within those who have accepted Jesus.
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#57
RE: My naive questions
Both GC

Indeed they did DP. Or Mohammed did from the guys that explained it to him. What we're talking about is the old testament. Not Christianity. It would be incorrect to use that as evidence against the Islamic claim of divine scripture. It is simply of no importance to them.

The holy spirit is one of the persons that combine to make the Christian God. If you look at the evidence it all points to feminine characteristics. Creativity : birthing, for example.
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#58
RE: My naive questions
Creativity is a "feminine characteristic"? Even "birthing" stretches credulity in this context. You have to be accepting that language as a biological description of god along the lines of your own anatomy......which I'm sure you wouldn't really want to defend at any length against concentrated criticism? You'd have to be accepting these things with a decidedly modern cultural lens as well, of course.
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#59
RE: My naive questions
(November 15, 2014 at 11:47 am)Godschild Wrote: Even if it comes through another person it's God working through them.

GC

Non-falsifiability spotted, ITT.

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#60
RE: My naive questions
I don't see your objection rhythm. Are you saying it shouldn't be so because it is too reflective of human traits? That's the distinct leaning of the text, which after all is at best an attempt to explain something in a meaningful way to it's audience. Different beings would no doubt explain it according to their own nature.

Apologies if I misunderstood you.
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