Obamacare written to deceive the public.

[Heywood]

He'd rather have this law than not.....so its written in such a way as to take advantage of the "stupidity" of the american public.





Now Gruber claims that he was making an off the cuff remark....and Nancy Pelosi is claiming she doesn't know who he is. But now there are several more videos of Gruber saying the same thing...indicating it is his state of mind....and there is video of Pelosi praising Gruber...so her claim she doesn't know him is also a lie.

Did the administration and or the democrats try to take advantage of the stupidity of the american people in order to give their friends in the Health Insurance industry the ultimate government gift?

[FatAndFaithless]

You already posted this in your "Democunts" thread, Woody. Didn't get enough response there?

[Minimalist]

Woodie is the classic attention whore. Fuck him.

[Heywood]

You already posted this in your "Democunts" thread, Woody. Didn't get enough response there?

I posted it there initially because I thought it was a singular comment...an outlier. But since new video's are popping up everyday....and leaders like Pelosi are outright lying about Gruber to distance themselves from him....I think there is enough here now to have a full fledged discussion about it.

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Here is Gruber caught lying on Hardball about the up coming Supreme Court case regarding Obamacare.

[Heywood]

CNN put out a fairly balanced article on this scandal. I'm glad to see they finally picked up to story.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/14/politics/o...?hpt=hp_t2

[Brian37]

It would suck if people didn't go broke paying for what we all will need. Naw, if you cant pay, die quickly the rich need their tax breaks.

It is absolutely sick that it took less than a week for congress to bail out the banks and car companies but over a year to come up with the Affordable Care Act, modeled after Mitt Romney's plan.

Stop selling your lies here. No other 1rst world westernized country allows to the same degree we do, corporate goons to control their markets. They are still open societies with political pluralism and they still allow for business. What they do not do is allow big business to have absolute power over their governments like we do here.

Health care is something all of us need. You stupidly support a system that criminalizes poverty that pads the profits of CEOS and shareholders. Now again, no one here is fooled by your shell game. You do not get to decide for the rest of us how our economy works.

Your right wing libertarian garbage will not sell here.

[Heywood]

It would suck if people didn't go broke paying for what we all will need. Naw, if you cant pay, die quickly the rich need their tax breaks.

It is absolutely sick that it took less than a week for congress to bail out the banks and car companies but over a year to come up with the Affordable Care Act, modeled after Mitt Romney's plan.

Stop selling your lies here. No other 1rst world westernized country allows to the same degree we do, corporate goons to control their markets. They are still open societies with political pluralism and they still allow for business. What they do not do is allow big business to have absolute power over their governments like we do here.

Health care is something all of us need. You stupidly support a system that criminalizes poverty that pads the profits of CEOS and shareholders. Now again, no one here is fooled by your shell game. You do not get to decide for the rest of us how our economy works.

Your right wing libertarian garbage will not sell here.

How about you quote a specific statement I made in this thread and then we can discuss if it is a lie or not. Right now your accusation is so nebulous I cannot defend against it. Your behavior here is underhanded.

[Brian37]

Nope. Just like a theist, you have a yellow brick road argument, thinking others have not been down that road before.

The evidence is in and trickle up crap to justify no regulations and "fuck the poor" is what we had for 30 years. If it had worked no one would be complaining.

No other country we consider westernized allows big business to control their markets to the degree we do. You are not making any new arguments here. It is no different when you point out to a Christian that Muslims make the same arguments. The only difference between republican economics and libertarian economics is the degree of how much they screw the other two classes over. One boils the lobster slowly while libertarians simply want to speed up the process.

We are not interested in your corporate apologetics.

[Angrboda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zc0BI7T1LA

[Brian37]

Yep that is the Libertarian/republican argument. Revised history when everyone knows the "zit" is just bologna mashed potatoes.