Evil things Christianity supports

[Losty]

1. Im glad you withheld judgement then. Heres who I am : http://atheistforums.org/thread-29869.html

2. You are in error on your alleged fallacy toward myself. I explained the difference and am sorry you didn't get it.

3. I don't dialogue with professed Atheists who resort to their freedom (enslavement really) of displaying their high held moral relativism in the form of 'F this and F that and F you and F it' --- I don't engage purposeful LowLifes who need to pretend that talking vile is a worthy venture .

3.a. Yes, professed Atheists CAN be moral , but their moral relativism and self serving agenda that comes from jettisoning God works against that so they end up living as they like which is typically Amoral and without a right from wrong compass. Something that is desired by such People groups.

What power does Atheism have in making a Person better in your view ? (http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/power.html) .

"What are you a fucking faggot?" ~Louis CK

I'm just randomly leaving this quote here for no reason...

[Fidel_Castronaut]

3. Independent scientific studies (unbiased in nature) have shown that moral principles, ethics, etc... lack in professed Atheists ...

[The Grand Nudger]

1. You are correct that atheism cant offer anything substantial by way of power to live a better life , for, its too self serving and for real big inner change to occur in a Person it requires a power higher than oneself to make it a reality. You can only get so much from self help books and the like . For a murderer to be truly transformed inwardly, it requires a personal deep experience with the living Christ and weve seen this occur with the hardest of criminals. Now, that's real power to change a person.

Atheism doesn't make the claim that it can offer anything at all, substantial or otherwise, that would help a person live a better life. There's nothing in atheism that serves the self (or anyone). There's nothing about atheism that makes a change.

Why should there be? I just means that a person doesn't believe that there are gods flitting around over their head or under their feet.

I doubt that a murderer is "truly transformed inwardly" by the power of christ - and of course one wonders why it doesn't seem to work with any reliability if it works at all. Christians are demonstrably capable of murder, in case that was a point of confusion. If someone has made a change like that, I'm just not confident that it was christianity doing the changing. Now, this is just my approach, but I like to rule out the obvious before a say "magic!".

2. You didn't start out 'an atheist'...rather, you started out being an inquisitive innocent quasi-THEIST . Heres how it most likely went down when you were very young :

Meh, sorry, some of us have never believed, and didn't grow up with religion as a foundation in their families.

If you were a real 'Atheist' you would have no reason to ask your Parents : how did all of this get here, or, why are we here ? You would automatically assume it was by accident for no reason...but...you didnt assume that. Your Parents response , based on thier philosophical bias, groomed you to believe they were telling you the truth. Then as you entered school, you got some reinforcing ideas that you were just a cosmic accident of unpurposed Pond Scum .

Except that to me...things just being there is reason enough to ask why, and when I did ask why my parents said "I don;t know" - because they didn't. They could have lied to me - and I probably would have believed them if they did - but they went a different way with it. So I guess that;s one narrative that doesn't apply.

As the years went by, and you started to adopt a self centered lifestyle based on maximum pleasure , you found atheism best suited your lifestyle choices with the added 'benefit' of no ultimate moral accountability to anyone higher than yourself.

You mean I was a kid who liked candy? Perish the thought. I never found that atheism suited any particular lifestyle choice of mine as a kid, I didn't think about it much, nor did I need any justification for enjoying chocolate.

This continued into adulthood , where, the total freedom for pleasure seeking became a reality with being an adult. After many years of living in this addiction to SELF , you refuse anything which becomes a fly in the ointment to what youve chosen for yourself including : an unwillingness to look into evidence for Creation , not wanting a personal Creator to even exist , grasping at desperate philosophies and theories that many others embrace as a philosophical bias, and, a refusal to become LESS consumed with self gratification because it is 'your freedom and right' . In short, you have become a slave to Humanism which on the surface looks so appetizing to follow. Such is the deceptive lure of this faith based religion.

Nah, sorry, at the very moment of reaching adulthood I decided that a career in service to others was for me. So I joined the army. A life of total freedom for pleasure seeking isn't exactly the best description of military service from the 4th of July '01 (when I joined) onward. Particularly if you were infantry. Now, as to the rest, I've always been a fan of religious narratives (alot of my gripe with fundy theists is the way they butcher their own stories) and I'm of the firm opinion that life would be a hell of alot more interesting - not really better, but interesting - if there -were- gods flitting around, if magic did happen. There aren't and it doesn't, that's been a bit of a letdown for me. But oh well, the universe doesn't exist to satisfy me.

3. Its only the atheistic tenet of moral relativism that makes permissible the use of the F word as common verbage .. but im afraid that objectively and according to Gods standards, it is a sign of a low life person who suppresses his moral conscience in order to get what he wants or to talk as he wishes.

-and yet here you are...talking as you wish.

Since Atheism is utterly fallacious and a disorder congruent with human depravity (a man made philosophy born out of pride, willful rebellion, and desired arrogance) so man can live as he likes.....usage of despicable terms only serve to help justify the suppression of his moral conscience because hes made himself his own little 'god' our of convenience. I once bought into the defeatist attitudes and language of God haters ; what God has done for me , he can do for you to if you want to overcome your Will to be a God rejector.

It's funny that you mention depravity - because that's ultimately why I couldn't stomach christianity. I don't have it in me to nail a better man to a plank of wood to cover for my inequity, or to accept some gift based upon this act of cruelty and barbarism. The rest of your tirade doesn;t really apply to me, as I've explained above...so I'll let someone whom it does apply to respond to that...but I doubt you'll get any takers there - mostly because you don't seem to have the first clue as to who you are talking to or about.

In short, you're a typical cunt. We've seen you come and go. There will be more behind you, and they will make the same obvious mistakes that you have made here. You, and those like you, will continue to shit on gods "good name" -and then wonder why people are leaving faith- as you've been doing since, well, forever.

[Elskidor]

Evil things Christianity supports

Christianity

[coldwx]

3. Independent scientific studies (unbiased in nature) have shown that moral principles, ethics, etc... lack in professed Atheists and it should come as no surprise since they choose to pattern their life after moral relativism , maximized liberty concerning lifestyle choices, and a disdain for surrendering Oneself to the control of God which could bring about fruits of righteousness ongoingly and in many various venues as a result of desiring to want to serve God instead of Self. ALso,. the way that others perceive Atheists based on actual personal experiences show a drastic lack of trust with this particular people group.

I will ask again, please provide the independent scientific studies for your assertion above.

[Ryantology]

Nahhh.... I don't do bullocks, sorry ! lol....

I have much experience in palliative care and in fact im a volunteer at my local Hospice Organization and routinely call on the infirmed and dying . So please, be careful about being presumptious --- instead just ask me right out so you don't look silly.

I haven't met a person yet who has enough faith to believe that an Atheistic Worldview / Origins is compelling and credible. But I have talked to professed 'atheists' who after 20-30 minutes of intense dialogue admit to me : ' Look Dave.... I just want to be my own god and call my own shots in life ' . Most recently , this was a verbatim response from a 71 year old Woman who lost her husband to cancer and who desired to enter the dangerous favorite American pastime of Sexual Hedonism . Shes actually become a regular acqauintence of mine whom I see on Karaoke Night.

I read your introductory post, in which you repeated the old "I used to be an atheist" lie that virtually every theist tells, thinking it makes us take you seriously. The rules, which I am bound to follow as well as enforce, kept me from picking you at that in your introduction post.

Thankfully, I'm not bound by that here, and I have to say that you're impressively full of shit, and it's astounding how bald you are about the lies you tell. You've never been an atheist for a moment in your life. Every word you say betrays the lie.

I just wanted to clear the air about it. You follow a horrid, repulsive religion and you worship a god that makes Hitler look fourth-rate in comparison. If you come in here telling us what we believe, it's not hard for us to reciprocate, and we have more ground to make these assertions. After all, by worshiping the God of the Bible, you find rape and slavery and genocide absolutely agreeable. Dashing infants against rocks is cool with you. Cutting the unborn out of the womb using swords? A-OK! Your only possible qualm with the Holocaust is that the wrong being was behind it all. The Bible has only good things to say about these practices, after all. You can't logically have a problem with the Holocaust when your god murdered everybody in the world, sans Noah and his family.

Do you like being characterized that way? No? Then do us a favor and stop being a dishonest shitprincess.

[Esquilax]

3. Independent scientific studies (unbiased in nature) have shown that moral principles, ethics, etc... lack in professed Atheists and it should come as no surprise since they choose to pattern their life after moral relativism , maximized liberty concerning lifestyle choices, and a disdain for surrendering Oneself to the control of God which could bring about fruits of righteousness ongoingly and in many various venues as a result of desiring to want to serve God instead of Self. ALso,. the way that others perceive Atheists based on actual personal experiences show a drastic lack of trust with this particular people group.

I hope that clarified things. Thanks for asking.

So, I've read through all your previous comments, and they paint you as a breathtakingly presumptuous person with absolutely no concern for personal boundaries or keeping your claims reasonable to within what you could possibly know. In fact, it seems that you mostly tailor your claims to what you would most like to believe about other people, so actually engaging with you will probably be a waste of time given the utterly baseless and outrageous things you've said so far, but...

You have no scientific studies of any kind that demonstrate what you say- if you want to say otherwise you'd better come with a citation here- but the opposite can be readily shown: "Proclaimed" atheists only make up 0.7 percent of the prison population, which is less than it should be, relative to the population of atheists at large. Put simply, atheists commit proportionally less crimes than their demographic would imply. Meanwhile, the religious from christian denominations are in prison at higher rates, compared to their standard population. So who has the ethical issues here?

You may be tempted to pull a No True Christian and dismiss all those prisoners as not really a part of your religion, but you don't get to really decide that, now do you? Moreover, it doesn't help your case, since you made a point to specify the ethical problems that professed atheists have, and the professed atheists are at a lower arrest rate than their population no matter which way you swing it. Additionally, countries with higher levels of atheism and secular laws tend to have less violent crime than christian America, too. So... you are literally wrong on every point.

Additionally, you mention moral relativism, but very few of the atheists here actually subscribe to that. I'm an atheist, and I don't. I think there's a very objective framework from which we derive our morals- what that is is something for another conversation, but you cannot make an accusation of moral relativism here. So are you just wrong when you say that we're moral relativists, or are you lying? Will you admit the error now that it's been presented clearly and demonstrably to you?

From what I've read you seem like an entirely ridiculous person, so I kinda doubt that you will. But if you're that set on bombing your own credibility even more than you already have, that's fine by me.

[strawdawg]

1. Racism
2. wife beating
3. killing of sons and or daughters for being disrespectful. - happens modern day from popular books like to train up a child
4. slaver
4.1 justification because the bible said it was okay
4.2 treatment of humans of a different skin color and being called sub human
4.3 treatment of human beings like work cattle
4.4 justified killing of slaves who wanted to be free
5. holy wars <- enough said
6. violation of human rights <- there is plenty of websites and videos out there.
7. indoctrination - you cant make everyone believe but you try hard enough.
8. bullying making bullying even worse or attempting to thanks republicans.
9. justification of killing of anyone or any groups of people
you can add on to the list down below

That's B.S. Christianity don't support most of that.

[YouCanCallMeDave]

Nahhh.... I don't do bullocks, sorry ! lol....

Everyone's gotta do something Dave. You do it quite well. Don't put yourself down.

I have much experience in palliative care and in fact im a volunteer at my local Hospice Organization and routinely call on the infirmed and dying . So please, be careful about being presumptious --- instead just ask me right out so you don't look silly.

I have every reason to doubt you and absolutely no reason to believe you. So I'm just going to say that I don't believe you and that you, in fact, started talking about a subject you know nothing about.

I don't think you have any medical training, nor any clinical or psychological education or any interaction with patients in any professional capacity.

Funny how you request not to be judged presumptuously but yet do that in every post you've made on here in the last 2 hours or so.

I haven't met a person yet who has enough faith to believe that an Atheistic Worldview / Origins is compelling and credible. But I have talked to professed 'atheists' who after 20-30 minutes of intense dialogue admit to me : ' Look Dave.... I just want to be my own god and call my own shots in life ' . Most recently , this was a verbatim response from a 71 year old Woman who lost her husband to cancer and who desired to enter the dangerous favorite American pastime of Sexual Hedonism . Shes actually become a regular acqauintence of mine whom I see on Karaoke Night.

I think you're a liar, and probably a troll/POE.

What's your favorite song in karaoke? Singing in public. Seems very hedonistic and self-centered.

Good that you've spoken to people though. It's good to talk out your issues, and I presume you've got a lot of them. G'day mate.

Im glad that we have determined you as a presumptuous hostile atheist-charade Player and that you and I need no longer dialogue.

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1. You are correct that atheism cant offer anything substantial by way of power to live a better life , for, its too self serving and for real big inner change to occur in a Person it requires a power higher than oneself to make it a reality. You can only get so much from self help books and the like . For a murderer to be truly transformed inwardly, it requires a personal deep experience with the living Christ and weve seen this occur with the hardest of criminals. Now, that's real power to change a person.

Atheism doesn't make the claim that it can offer anything at all, substantial or otherwise, that would help a person live a better life. There's nothing in atheism that serves the self (or anyone). There's nothing about atheism that makes a change.

Why should there be? I just means that a person doesn't believe that there are gods flitting around over their head or under their feet.

I doubt that a murderer is "truly transformed inwardly" by the power of christ - and of course one wonders why it doesn't seem to work with any reliability if it works at all. Christians are demonstrably capable of murder, in case that was a point of confusion. If someone has made a change like that, I'm just not confident that it was christianity doing the changing. Now, this is just my approach, but I like to rule out the obvious before a say "magic!".

2. You didn't start out 'an atheist'...rather, you started out being an inquisitive innocent quasi-THEIST . Heres how it most likely went down when you were very young :

Meh, sorry, some of us have never believed, and didn't grow up with religion as a foundation in their families.

If you were a real 'Atheist' you would have no reason to ask your Parents : how did all of this get here, or, why are we here ? You would automatically assume it was by accident for no reason...but...you didnt assume that. Your Parents response , based on thier philosophical bias, groomed you to believe they were telling you the truth. Then as you entered school, you got some reinforcing ideas that you were just a cosmic accident of unpurposed Pond Scum .

Except that to me...things just being there is reason enough to ask why, and when I did ask why my parents said "I don;t know" - because they didn't. They could have lied to me - and I probably would have believed them if they did - but they went a different way with it. So I guess that;s one narrative that doesn't apply.

As the years went by, and you started to adopt a self centered lifestyle based on maximum pleasure , you found atheism best suited your lifestyle choices with the added 'benefit' of no ultimate moral accountability to anyone higher than yourself.

You mean I was a kid who liked candy? Perish the thought. I never found that atheism suited any particular lifestyle choice of mine as a kid, I didn't think about it much, nor did I need any justification for enjoying chocolate.

This continued into adulthood , where, the total freedom for pleasure seeking became a reality with being an adult. After many years of living in this addiction to SELF , you refuse anything which becomes a fly in the ointment to what youve chosen for yourself including : an unwillingness to look into evidence for Creation , not wanting a personal Creator to even exist , grasping at desperate philosophies and theories that many others embrace as a philosophical bias, and, a refusal to become LESS consumed with self gratification because it is 'your freedom and right' . In short, you have become a slave to Humanism which on the surface looks so appetizing to follow. Such is the deceptive lure of this faith based religion.

Nah, sorry, at the very moment of reaching adulthood I decided that a career in service to others was for me. So I joined the army. A life of total freedom for pleasure seeking isn't exactly the best description of military service from the 4th of July '01 (when I joined) onward. Particularly if you were infantry. Now, as to the rest, I've always been a fan of religious narratives (alot of my gripe with fundy theists is the way they butcher their own stories) and I'm of the firm opinion that life would be a hell of alot more interesting - not really better, but interesting - if there -were- gods flitting around, if magic did happen. There aren't and it doesn't, that's been a bit of a letdown for me. But oh well, the universe doesn't exist to satisfy me.

3. Its only the atheistic tenet of moral relativism that makes permissible the use of the F word as common verbage .. but im afraid that objectively and according to Gods standards, it is a sign of a low life person who suppresses his moral conscience in order to get what he wants or to talk as he wishes.

-and yet here you are...talking as you wish.

Since Atheism is utterly fallacious and a disorder congruent with human depravity (a man made philosophy born out of pride, willful rebellion, and desired arrogance) so man can live as he likes.....usage of despicable terms only serve to help justify the suppression of his moral conscience because hes made himself his own little 'god' our of convenience. I once bought into the defeatist attitudes and language of God haters ; what God has done for me , he can do for you to if you want to overcome your Will to be a God rejector.

It's funny that you mention depravity - because that's ultimately why I couldn't stomach christianity. I don't have it in me to nail a better man to a plank of wood to cover for my inequity, or to accept some gift based upon this act of cruelty and barbarism. The rest of your tirade doesn;t really apply to me, as I've explained above...so I'll let someone whom it does apply to respond to that...but I doubt you'll get any takers there - mostly because you don't seem to have the first clue as to who you are talking to or about.

In short, you're a typical cunt. We've seen you come and go. There will be more behind you, and they will make the same obvious mistakes that you have made here. You, and those like you, will continue to shit on gods "good name" -and then wonder why people are leaving faith- as you've been doing since, well, forever.

Your vile language using the 'C' word is noted, and your addy shall be placed on the willful LowLife list of people in this Forum to totally disregard having a future dialogue with. Your freewill choice of using vile and foul language validates the lower moral and ethical status of Atheists of the hostile variety. End. (so far we have yourself and Fidel that will be eliminated from dialogue since I just cant bring myself to talk with the Undesirables of Society. Thanks.) .

[Losty]

Dearest Dave,
I understand that you are a sensitive soul, but if you let everyone here get you upset just because they point out that you are wrong and maybe slightly crazy, then you will have no one left to talk to. Did you really join atheist forums just to talk to other theists?

Best Regards,
~Losty

P.S. Hide tags are your friend.
P.P.S. Your use of the phrase "the 'C' word" makes you childish and immature...maybe also kind of a cunt.
P.P.P.S. I don't feel undesirable at all. Atheists are sexy.