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dyresand · April 4, 2015 at 2:11 am

(April 4, 2015 at 1:54 am)snowtracks Wrote:
(April 3, 2015 at 2:26 pm)dyresand Wrote: What if the bible is a lie and Hell is already a pretty cool place to begin with.
I mean after all doom and gloom only lasts but so long before the ruler gets tired of it and turns it into
paradise for the damned.
Christ made it very clear: Hell is something people choose; no one alive has totally missed “hearing God’s call” and would prefer the unrighteous state it offers. God gives free will and people choose. The ‘torment’ is better translated to the word ‘restraint’. The more evil a spiritual entity has demonstrated, the more ‘restraint’ they will have there; consequently, that 'old serpent' will be the most bound and won't be in charge of anything. An aside, believing or not believing in the existence of God is not the deciding factor where one finds their eternal abode.

Except in Hell you are never really there for eternity in christianity you only spend about 7 thousand years then you are released.
But even still you keep your free will in hell in heaven you get it stripped away. So either or id spend my 7 thousand years in hell too keep my
coherent thoughts before it gets taken away.

**robvalue** · April 4, 2015 at 5:24 am

I think this clears up exactly who gets into heaven and who doesn't:

http://youtu.be/4mpxMZWuulk

snowtracks · April 4, 2015 at 11:02 pm

(March 23, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Surgenator Wrote:
(March 22, 2015 at 11:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: There isn’t one atheist on this board that will unequivocally state that the universe exist for no purpose.

You have been proven wrong.

Every person should be able to state at five reasons for the universe’s existence’s. Amazingly, the atheists can’t even state one…just proceeding thru their life span like dodo birds.

Surgenator · April 4, 2015 at 11:04 pm

Moving the goal post aren't you?

dyresand · April 5, 2015 at 1:11 am

(April 4, 2015 at 11:02 pm)snowtracks Wrote:
(March 23, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Surgenator Wrote: You have been proven wrong.
Every person should be able to state at five reasons for the universe’s existence’s. Amazingly, the atheists can’t even state one…just proceeding thru their life span like dodo birds.

It came into being through naturalistic causes no god needed. You have your basic elements Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium, given that the newly universe is small it is very hot so gradually it started cool off giving way to new elements that would form stars. You see what i am getting at. And even still now the universe has expanded to much is going to fall back into itself. Its a good thing its better than heat death with this another universe and more possibilities come out of it.

snowtracks · April 5, 2015 at 1:31 am

Oh my, that utterly profound. You should have that laminated for your wallet and carry it around wherever you go.

dyresand · April 5, 2015 at 1:43 am

(April 5, 2015 at 1:31 am)snowtracks Wrote: Oh my, that utterly profound. You should have that laminated for your wallet and carry it around wherever you go.

Why bother i mean go google how the universe formed. The theistic version is just that it was a primitive mans assertion how the universe well not that the world came into being and the sun moon etc. Now cut to today where you get a great explication on why those things are there instead of a simplistic one that isn't true. All in all for the time being it was fine but now since know how things came into being using technology and also using the LHC they are using the LHC to find a alternate universe.

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: April 5, 2015 at 5:12 am by robvalue.)

Oh well. I'll have to consult the hive mind about this.

IATIA · April 5, 2015 at 11:41 am

(April 4, 2015 at 11:02 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Every person should be able to state at five reasons for the universe’s existence’s. Amazingly, the atheists can’t even state one…just proceeding thru their life span like dodo birds.

Why? There does not need to be a reason. That is another assumption on your part. Reason requires intellect and as there is no god, there is no intellect or reason for the existence of the universe. It just is.

**KevinM1** · April 5, 2015 at 12:47 pm

Five reasons for the universe existing:

1. It has always existed
2. It was farted out by a giant space whale
3. It's actually a complex simulation
4. It's the delusion of a single intelligence
5. It's actually the afterlife, we simply don't remember our real lives

Note, that I don't believe in 2-5, but it's trivial to simply state reasons for its existence. And 2-5 are no less fanciful than your three gods in one, with one sacrificing himself to himself because humanity sucks so bad.

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