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If it really comes down to Jesus saying "I never knew you. Begone.", then I'll just have to say "Nor I you. Goodbye.", and leave. Whether it's bravado or something else, all I can say is that I won't be cowed by people going on about a book with so many falsehoods, inconsistencies, and skewed priorities.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
(December 6, 2014 at 6:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: All of which we can verify independently, right? I mean, Lady Hope heard Darwin repent and discard his own theory on his deathbed. She wrote articles about it, so it must be true, yes?
Every account names it's source. In the case of the second account he names L. B. Balliett, M. D. as a source, Seeing how he is a doctor lends some credence to his testimony. As for verification, the book is from 1898....
But if you're looking for something more recent, here is a story from cbs and abc news.
The story, from November, is about a woman who stopped breathing for 3 hours had no pulse for 45 minutes.
A few quotes:
Quote: Ruby Graupera-Cassimiro had gone 45 minutes without a pulse when doctors called her family into the operating room and told them there was nothing more they could do.
A team of more than a dozen doctors and nurses had been working desperately to revive her. But now they'd lost hope that the 40-year-old Deerfield Beach woman, whose heart had given out without warning after a routine C-section at Boca Raton Regional Hospital, was going to make it.
Devastated, Graupera-Cassimiro's husband, mother and sister said goodbye to her just hours after they'd welcomed a healthy baby girl. The medical team stopped all lifesaving procedures. They watched a heart monitor, preparing to record a time of death.
And then the impossible happened: A blip of a heartbeat showed up. Then another, and another.
Quote:"There's very few things in medicine that I've seen, working in the trauma center myself and doing all the things that I do, that really were either unexplainable or miraculous," said Dr. Anthony Dardano, president of the hospital's medical staff. "And when I heard this story, that was the first thing that came to my mind."
Quote:During that time, she said she felt herself floating along a tunnel.
"I remember seeing a spiritual being who I believe was my dad," Graupera-Cassimiro said. "I remember the light behind him and many other spiritual beings."
But suddenly a "force" stopped her, and she said she knew she couldn't go any further.
Her heart started beating again on its own even though doctors hadn't touched her in several minutes, Chakurda said.
Quote:There's something to these near death experiences. Too many of them recall similar stories of being greeted by Family Members who have passed, and being told, that it's not their time. Keep the Faith!
"I don't know why I was given this opportunity," Graupera-Cassimiro said, "but I'm very grateful for it."
Quote:The family left the room with nurse Julie Ewing after saying their goodbyes. They held hands and prayed, Ewing on her knees.
Then another nurse, Claire Hansen, came out of the operating room.
"Keep praying," she said, "because her heart just started."
Screams filled the hallway as Graupera-Cassimiro's family took in the news. They jumped up and down and cried. Her sister ran into the operating room.
"It was a complete miracle of God. It was answered prayer," Ewing said Tuesday. "We all were there. We all witnessed it."
Quote:Amazingly, doctors say, Graupera-Cassimiro suffered no complications. No reduced brain function from the loss of circulation. No burns from the repeated shocks doctors delivered in hopes of restarting her heart.
No bruises, even, from the chest compressions they took turns giving her to keep her blood flowing
SO WHAT? Even if the doctors and nurses recorded every word just as it was spoken, SO WHAT? Hallucinations experienced by dying, oxygen-deprived brains prove nothing.
(December 6, 2014 at 10:22 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
Every account names it's source. In the case of the second account he names L. B. Balliett, M. D. as a source, Seeing how he is a doctor lends some credence to his testimony. As for verification, the book is from 1898....
But if you're looking for something more recent, here is a story from cbs and abc news.
The story, from November, is about a woman who stopped breathing for 3 hours had no pulse for 45 minutes.
A few quotes:
SO WHAT? Even if the doctors and nurses recorded every word just as it was spoken, SO WHAT? Hallucinations experienced by dying, oxygen-deprived brains prove nothing.
You mean to tell us this woman wasn't dead, doctors pronounced her dead. Are you saying you know more than the doctors that were present, the very doctors who worked on her are wrong and your right. Seems to me you have a god complex.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
Somehow I think if this happened to someone who was muslim, he'd talk about meeting Muhammad and seeing his seventy two virgins. Or someone of another religion talking about their experiences in their culture's version of heaven.
Have there been cases of someone coming back and converting because they saw some other religion's version of heaven/hell?
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
(December 7, 2014 at 4:00 pm)Thackerie Wrote: SO WHAT? Even if the doctors and nurses recorded every word just as it was spoken, SO WHAT? Hallucinations experienced by dying, oxygen-deprived brains prove nothing.
You mean to tell us this woman wasn't dead, doctors pronounced her dead. Are you saying you know more than the doctors that were present, the very doctors who worked on her are wrong and your right. Seems to me you have a god complex.
GC
she was unconscious, thought to be dead.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
December 7, 2014 at 8:16 pm (This post was last modified: December 7, 2014 at 8:44 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(December 7, 2014 at 8:03 pm)snowtracks Wrote:
(December 7, 2014 at 6:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: You mean to tell us this woman wasn't dead, doctors pronounced her dead. Are you saying you know more than the doctors that were present, the very doctors who worked on her are wrong and your right. Seems to me you have a god complex.
GC
she was unconscious, thought to be dead.
Thank you, Doctor snowtracks!
btw, unconscious people usually are breathing and have a pulse....
(December 7, 2014 at 4:00 pm)Thackerie Wrote: SO WHAT? Hallucinations experienced by dying, oxygen-deprived brains prove nothing.
This is a baseless assertion (which I thought you guys were against), where is the proof?
Better yet, you can preform this experiment yourself. Have someone put you in the sleeper hold, which cuts of the blood supply to the brain, hence causing the brain to be oxygen deprived.
Doctors are wrong all the time. Taking the word of a doctor without any evidence would be moronic.
Also, there are so many recorded cases of a person being pronounced dead and then found alive. Around 40 since the 1980's I think. The one thing they all have in common, no one knows exactly why/how they turned out to be alive.
IMO it was most likely a mistake on the doctor's part when declaring them dead in the first place.
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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Hammy Wrote:and we also have a sheep on our bed underneath as well
December 7, 2014 at 8:55 pm (This post was last modified: December 7, 2014 at 8:58 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(December 7, 2014 at 8:48 pm)Losty Wrote: Doctors are wrong all the time. Taking the word of a doctor without any evidence would be moronic.
Also, there are so many recorded cases of a person being pronounced dead and then found alive. Around 40 since the 1980's I think. The one thing they all have in common, no one knows exactly why/how they turned out to be alive.
IMO it was most likely a mistake on the doctor's part when declaring them dead in the first place.
So, to be clear, you're saying that taking the word of an expert as it relates to his particular field of study is moronic?
Also, no doctor would ever make these claims unless there was evidence.
December 7, 2014 at 9:32 pm (This post was last modified: December 7, 2014 at 9:35 pm by Losty.)
(December 7, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So, to be clear, you're saying that taking the word of an expert as it relates to his particular field of study is moronic?
My OBGYN told me to have a hysterectomy because I had severe endometriosis. I asked for evidence. Turned out my problems were actually complications from an undiagnosed pregnancy. I will take the word of an expert who can show me evidence or tell me how s/he knows. Aren't you a Christian, Huggy? You should probably stop having so much faith in doctors lest your god get jealous.
(December 7, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Also, no doctor would ever make these claims unless there was evidence.
No doctor would ever claim to be infallible. That's why they make you sign waivers saying you won't sue them if they mess up.
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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Hammy Wrote:and we also have a sheep on our bed underneath as well
