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MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:26 pm
(November 25, 2014 at 7:30 am)Irrational Wrote: But not all individuals referred to in historical sources must be historical figures.

Well then, certain historical figures that you have no problem believing existed: the contemporary sources that we allegely have for thoses guys doesn't mean that they actually existed... the contemporary sources could be lying.

(November 25, 2014 at 7:30 am)Irrational Wrote: And, no, my point is relevant because atheists are non-Christian "sources" as well. Yet, they'll mention God when referring to someone as a believer in God. This does not mean they are implying God exists.

Right, so the sources in question mentioned Tiberius and Pontius Pilate...so that would mean that those two guys didn't exist either.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:26 pm
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:28 pm
The fact that HM is comparing historical accounts of Jesus to people that have their own written documents is rather absurd.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:31 pm
Indeed. Forrest Gump met JFK. We know JFK existed, so Gump must have existed. And if we object that he was merely fictional, then clearly JFK was fictional too.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:31 pm
(November 25, 2014 at 11:47 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I see at 25 pages in, we've established that Jesus may or may not have really existed

Well yeah...but the same can be said for any historical figure, that he/she may or may not have really existed. You don't know what is an actual fact or what is actually fiction in history...all you can do is go by what you were told, by people that may or may not have been trying to push an agenda...the same thing you would probably accuse Christians of doing.

(November 25, 2014 at 11:47 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: that the early Christian church may or may not have been based on his teachings

Bullshit. Paul was part of the early Church writing to the church in Corinth some 20 years after the cross..it was a church, so obviously a Christian Church would be based on the teachings of Jesus.

Know your history.

(November 25, 2014 at 11:47 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: and that there were definitely early Christians.

No doubt about it.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:33 pm
(November 25, 2014 at 3:26 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Right, so the sources in question mentioned Tiberius and Pontius Pilate...so that would mean that those two guys didn't exist either.

We have other sources contemporary with their existence that mention them... something we don't have with Jesus. You think your equivocations are actually going to last more than a few seconds, you blithering moron? Dodgy
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:35 pm
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:41 pm (This post was last modified: November 25, 2014 at 3:44 pm by Jenny A.)
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:42 pm
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 3:45 pm
(November 25, 2014 at 3:42 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: It isn't as if Bart has anything to gain from this "common knowledge" in the field of history...he isn't even a Christian...but it is what it is...almost all agree that Jesus of Nazareth existed.

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