MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
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MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
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 (November 29, 2014 at 3:46 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: To be entirely honest I don't understand why he is having such a hard time with this. I mean strip away all the fluff from the gospels and you basically have a 2000 year old Joseph Smith. Nothing extraordinary about that, the roman empire was full nutty cults and cult leaders. Exactly. Let's move on already. ![[Image: Bumper+Sticker+-+Asheville+-+Praise+Dog3.JPG]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-d-3rfdI7nG0%2FTerwtFyFXoI%2FAAAAAAAACak%2F7kFSmHeVrng%2Fs320%2FBumper%2BSticker%2B-%2BAsheville%2B-%2BPraise%2BDog3.JPG)
 RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 29, 2014 at 4:01 pm
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2014 at 4:41 pm by Minimalist.)
 (November 29, 2014 at 3:46 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: To be entirely honest I don't understand why he is having such a hard time with this. I mean strip away all the fluff from the gospels and you basically have a 2000 year old Joseph Smith. Nothing extraordinary about that, the roman empire was full nutty cults and cult leaders. This too is why I've become a Jesus Mooter. Beyond the fact that I've grown fatigued with dancing the Scholars Say Shuffle a million times, this is the debate they want to have, which is why he isn't moving on. They want to be able to appeal to scholarly consensus for a change, to spend the whole debate however long it lasts posting "scholars say..." over and over again, to try to paint the skeptic as the screwball and to shift the burden of proof in to their court with a little slight-of-hand. Everyone has noticed I hope that as soon as I said, "OK, some guy named Yeshua lived around that time, was a cult leader and ran afoul of Roman authorities; now prove all the claims of divinity and miracles" he immediately started ignoring me. He's well aware he has jack shit for evidence apart from some fallacious appeals to folklore and a few arguments from personal incredulity.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too." ... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept "(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question" ... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist 
Lemonvariable72
Copenhagen School  Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (November 29, 2014 at 5:34 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:(November 29, 2014 at 3:46 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: To be entirely honest I don't understand why he is having such a hard time with this. I mean strip away all the fluff from the gospels and you basically have a 2000 year old Joseph Smith. Nothing extraordinary about that, the roman empire was full nutty cults and cult leaders. I agree. This is why I'm eager to see part 2
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.  (November 29, 2014 at 5:34 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Everyone has noticed I hope that as soon as I said, "OK, some guy named Yeshua lived around that time, was a cult leader and ran afoul of Roman authorities; now prove all the claims of divinity and miracles" he immediately started ignoring me. He's well aware he has jack shit for evidence apart from some fallacious appeals to folklore and a few arguments from personal incredulity. Same reason he shifted focus the moment I pointed out the second hand nature of all his sources, and now we're endlessly talking about (and shifting between whenever it's convenient for him) abiogenesis and consciousness. Randomly switching topics seems to be H_M's go to tactic, and I think we can tell which ones have really hit home when we just don't hear about them again after they've been brought up. 
Similarly he dropped Josephus like a hot brick after some of us picked at the glue holding it together.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(November 29, 2014 at 5:55 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I agree. This is why I'm eager to see part 2 Assuming it ever comes, here's my prediction: 1. "Would they have died for a lie?" 2. "The accounts of his resurrection happened too soon to be a lie." 3. "Nobody cried 'FALSE' with the accounts, which must mean it's true." 4. "Jerusalem was real. Pilate was real. So..." 5. "The tomb is empty. So how'd that happen, huh?" 6. "Women were the first witnesses, which they wouldn't have done if it had been a lie." 7. "Either Jesus was a liar, a lunatic or he was LORD". Do I need to take these arguments apart? The flaws should be obvious. Hey HM, did I miss anything?
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too." ... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept "(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question" ... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
The empty tomb is my favourite; I do hope it comes up again. "Look - there it isn't!"
It's like a popular character in an American sitcom. It gets a round of applause every time it appears.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(November 29, 2014 at 6:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: It's like a popular character in an American sitcom. It gets a round of applause every time it appears. Can't wait for the empty non existing tomb with it's different descriptions in the gospels.
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MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
