MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[Cyberman]

And yes, Josephus mentioned Jesus too. So that's evidence. He didn't only mention him in the "forged" passage you keep holding for dear life to...he also mentioned him in another passage when he called "James, BROTHER of Jesus".

Conveniently left out here is that the "Jesus" being referred to is named as "Jesus bar (son of) Damneus" - Damneus being the high priest. The "who was called Christ" of the text is another of those pesky suspect interpolations, depending on the TF passage entirely for its veracity.

I ask again, why the reliance on - even existence of - forged or similarly questionable sources if there's meant to be genuine contemporary evidence out there?

[Mudhammam]

BUT WAIT! Josephus also writes of Jesus:

"...there came to the feast at which it is the custom of all Jews to erect tabernacles to God, one Jesus... a rude peasant, who suddenly began to cry out, 'A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the sanctuary, a voice against the bridegroom and the bride, a voice against all the people.' Day and night he went about all the alleys with this cry on his lips. Some of the leading citizens, incensed at these ill-omened words, arrested the fellow and severely chastised him. But he, without a word on his own behalf or for the private ear of those who smote him, only continued his cries as before. Thereupon, the magistrates, supposing, as was indeed the case, that the man was under some supernatural impulse, brought him before the Roman governor; there, although flayed to the bone with scourges, he neither sued for mercy nor shed a tear, but, merely introducing the most mournful of variations into his ejaculation, responded to each stroke with 'Woe to Jerusalem!' When Albinus, the governor, asked him who and whence he was and why he uttered these cries, he answered him never a word, but unceasingly reiterated his dirge over the city, until Albinus pronounced him a maniac and let him go. During the whole period... he... daily, like a prayer that he had conned, repeated his lament, 'Woe to Jerusalem!' He neither cursed any of those who beat him from day to day, nor blessed those who offered him food: to all men that melancholy presage was his one reply. His cries were loudest at the festivals... going his round and shouting in piercing tones from the wall, 'Woe once more to the city and to the people and to the temple,' as he added a last word, 'and woe to me also'... So with those ominous words still upon his lips he passed away."

SEE! THAT'S IN THE GOSPELS TOO!!!

Oops. Wrong Jesus again. These were the words of a Jesus son of Ananias, a supposed "maniac." Apparently, they were all too common.

[pigsworld]

Ben Franklin is the Guy. Not GW. He is good cuz he did not want to be prez for life, and the english surrendered to an inventors french navy. Heysues aka SonofGod practiced Dharma.

Date: Mar 29, 2010 7:45 PM
A Note to Four Visionaries.
Poem by Stu

When We are Too Busy with the Present,
To Prepare for the Future:
All Hope Will Certainly Be Lost.
Leaving the Future to Faith, or Chance.

Sorry the Axiom had to be delivered like this,
But this is How I slay the Enemy,
And You should see My Method.
Dentist left a Tooth or Two in that Wonderful Head of Yours.(Cherry on Top)

If We Have a vision of the Future, and We Fail in the Execution;
The Keepers of The Past shall Crucify Us and Our Grandchildren.

May the Blessings of AllMighty Be Upon You,
Or at Least The Force Behind Yahtzee.

"An open mind is a generous invitation for
knowledge and adventure" Stuart...

Heroes Martyrs and Debauchees are invented then followed.

[His_Majesty]

I think we are ready for part 2.

I think your ideas aren't so profound that they need more than one thread. This is a discussion forum, not a showcase for your ego.

What ego? I am just on here defending my faith, and this thread is ultimately giving praise and glory to my Savior Jesus Christ.

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After utterly failing at the much easier and possible part 1, you will continue to the actually impossible part 2?

A wise man once said... "It is kind of fun to do the impossible".

[abaris]

What ego? I am just on here defending my faith, and this thread is ultimately giving praise and glory to my Savior Jesus Christ.

[robvalue]

He saved you from what again?

An don't worry, he told me. I didn't know he was popping round today, I thought it was Friday. He says if there's any questions you have he can answer? He's not so good with this new technology.

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Hey can anyone look after Jesus for a few hours? I need to take the dog out.

[His_Majesty]

Conveniently left out here is that the "Jesus" being referred to is named as "Jesus bar (son of) Damneus" - Damneus being the high priest. The "who was called Christ" of the text is another of those pesky suspect interpolations, depending on the TF passage entirely for its veracity.

I ask again, why the reliance on - even existence of - forged or similarly questionable sources if there's meant to be genuine contemporary evidence out there?

Bullshit. First off, this has to be the most blatant and obvious false rendering of a context that I've ever seen..

Josephus said...

"Calling forth the members of the Sanhedrin, he brought before them a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ, and others with him. He accused them of violating the law, and ordered that they should be put to death by stoning."

Then compare that to what Paul said in Galatians 1:19 when he is speaking about his meeting in Jerusalem..

"I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother"

And we know from the Gospels that Jesus had a brother named James...all accounts agree, so there is no doubt that Jesus had a brother named James.

Second, the "Jesus bar (son of) Damneus" guy isn't even mentioned in the same context as Jesus, brother of James!!! In fact, not only isn't he mentioned in the same context as Jesus, brother of James, but he is only mentioned because he is the guy that replaced Ananus as high priest because Ananus was RELIEVED of his high priestly duties for EXECUTING James, brother of Jesus!!!

They are not the same freakin person unless having the same name as another person makes you that person.

So apparently all you did was do a quick google search to find the first secular website that distorted the context of the passage so you can raise a worthless objection on here...which you've failed, miserably...how about reading the freakin context?

Third, this particular passage is NOT an interpolation from later Christian scribes...because Josephus didn't call Jesus "the Christ"...he just states that Jesus was CALLED "The Christ"...he is just stating what the man was called, that's it.

That is why we know that it wasn't forged, because no non-Christian would call Jesus "The Christ" as Josephus "did" in his Testimonium Flavianum.

But an honest non-Christian would have no problems stating that Jesus WAS CALLED "THE CHRIST". It is called BEING HONEST and having INTEGRITY when you report HISTORY.

So please, I ain't the one to run that kind of bs on.

[downbeatplumb]

Sorry, I have to interject on this one because it's something I cover specifically in my book: Jenny said misremember, not that they wouldn't remember it at all.

The example I've always used is the Oklahoma City Bombing. I remember sitting in my Biology class when we heard and felt the blast. I remember that when we were told a bomb had gone off downtown, someone asked whether it was downtown Oklahoma City or downtown in our suburb. I remember my exact response: “There’s no way it was Oklahoma City, you moron. Do you realize how big a bomb would have to be to feel it this far away?”

There was a bombing in a Metro when I was on honeymoon with my wife. She swears she heard the blast, I was there, she didn't. In fact we didn't learn of it until we got back to England and saw the English news.

[Minimalist]

Josephus said...

But you don't understand what Josephus meant, asswipe. To him a christos was an anointed high priest or king...not some smelly jew hippie from Galilee.

You are seeing things that are not there...as did the scribe who tried to enhance that particular bit of nonsense.

[His_Majesty]

But you don't understand what Josephus meant, asswipe.

More stupid shit coming from you, Minimalist?

He said that after this Jesus guy was crucified, a tribe called "Christians" resulted.

What the hell do you mean "you don't understand what Josephus" meant, it is clear to anyone that doesn't have any prejudice towards Christianity what he meant...

This is the last time I am responding to your nonsense...because some of you take bullshit to a whole "nother" level and I refuse to keep entertaining this nonsense.