The End of the World

[Losty]

Well, it's a good thing I didn't say that. What I said was, [i]if you reject evolution, you may as well disparage all of science, because you'll be denying sciences like chemistry, paleontology, geology, and biology.

Convergent, interlocking evidence from each of those fields demonstrates that evolution is a fact.

People who deny that either are ignorant of the facts, or unwilling to put away their childish superstitions -- or, as in your case, both.

I can use chemistry to make a grape soda, what's that got to do with evolution.

GC

It's called purple drink, bro.

[Mister Agenda]

I did not post it as fact as you said, I stated I could be wrong and would accept the literal given in scripture. You are a liar sir, either that or you can not understand English.

This is exactly what you posted: "They'll know there is no release from hell, they passed up their opportunity and they will resent God forever, they will hate God and His creation more intensely than ever, they will seethe forever cursing God and reliving every sin every moment of eternity, the more wrong one has done the worse their existence in hell will be, see they will be their own punishment, living in terror and horror ie, weeping and nashing of teeth, begging for the fire and brimstone for some relief of their own living terror. A life they created in this life, a punishment they created in this life, living in darkness never seeing anyone, yet hearing everyone else, reliving their terror and horror forever, with not one moments rest form it. No sleep, no rest, nothing to relieve the mental and physical torment they created for themselves in this life, yes they create their own punishment and chose to live with it forever. This is why I tell you that God is not responsible for your own personally created hell."

You did not include any caveats indicating reservations about your correctness. You should have re-read the post before making your claim that you didn't present it as a fact, assuming you're not flat-out lying about it.

[Strider]

You did not include any caveats indicating reservations about your correctness. You should have re-read the post before making your claim that you didn't present it as a fact, assuming you're not flat-out lying about it.

GC likes to hurl terms like "liar" and "dishonest" when he's backed into a corner.

[FatAndFaithless]

You did not include any caveats indicating reservations about your correctness. You should have re-read the post before making your claim that you didn't present it as a fact, assuming you're not flat-out lying about it.

GC likes to hurl terms like "liar" and "dishonest" when he's backed into a corner.

Also the current theist flavor of the month, "bias".

[Crossless2.0]

I can use chemistry to make a grape soda, what's that got to do with evolution.

GC

*Pondering whether this belongs in Hall of Shame, FSTDT, or my signature line. Fucking brilliant!*

[The Valkyrie]

Biology doesn't necessarily need evolution.

GC

Pretty sure the entire basis of Biology rests within the TOE.


Wow.

Precisely.

Many life sciences get their origins from TOE, including biology. And since biology is the basis of modern medicine . . .

[Mister Agenda]

Which is it beg or ask, there's a difference.

Both. I find it hard to believe how much you are determined to dance around this.

They understand they are there because of what they did and they know forgiveness is not coming, because they did not do it in this life.

You're clearly making this up as you go along, which I'm sure is perfectly fine with your version of God. What scripture supports that the dead are so certain they won't be forgiven that they won't even bother to try to ask/beg for it?

God can't do anything about it, if He were to forgive them it would make Him a liar. He said no forgiveness after the death of the body,

Now we're getting somewhere. In what scripture does he say that? I know Hebrews 9:27 says the judgment will be after death, but it doesn't state that then it will be too late for forgiveness.

He would be unjust if He were to change what He said, especially just so you can have your cake and eat it to.

Prove he said it in the first place. And you embrace Dahmer getting to eat his victims and get heaven to boot, but you have trouble with ordinary folk catching a break? That's rich.

What have I got to do with it, I chose Christ as my savior and I have more than one reason.

It's called an analogy.

I nor God decided who goes to hell, those who find themselves there will understand they put themselves there, it was their decision, they chose to be separated from God, that only leaves on place to be.

So far you haven't given a reason for that belief more substantial than that's the way you want it to be. You're way out on a limb beyond what the Bible says. And who determined what would and wouldn't be a sin? Who made people to desire things of which he doesn't approve? There are animals that mate for life, we didn't have to be designed to want to chase after strange flesh. It doesn't make sense to say we need the temptations for free will when it's hard-wired into most humans to find it tempting.

Sorry you are having such a hard time understanding what has been given in a clear manner.

How clear it is doesn't matter, only how well supported it is. If I present the case for a literal Santa Claus really clearly, I still should not expect to get much traction.

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Okay, but I disagree.

Fair enough.

Those things will come from the heart because of the understanding of what it means to live a life against God. The separation from God will bring more pain that fire, there will be a understanding of what was actually given up.

Because God likes to rub salt in our wounds? Because what's the point of giving us that understanding when it's too late rather than when it would have done us some good? How does free will require us to be unaware of the true consequences of our choices? More the opposite, I'd think. It's rigging the game to leave the consequences of losing in doubt. Is this because of one of those bets he makes with the devil sometimes?

A prophet of God will foretell what God tells Him, it would be a coming event. What I said in the above bold is in the scriptures, don't need to be a prophet to find the answer. You seem very much on edge.

It's not God not going against justice to which objecting. It's your claims that YOU know what God's take on justice is. And critiquing claims is how I relax, but thanks for trying to deflect the discussion to my emotional state. It's a common dishonest debating tactic to insinuate that your interlocuter's emotional state is affecting their statements. Is there any cheap tactic from the dark arts of rhetoric that you're above using?

[Vosur]

I can use chemistry to make a grape soda, what's that got to do with evolution.

GC

It's called purple drink, bro.

No, it's called purple drank.

[Losty]

It's called purple drink, bro.

No, it's called purple drank.

"purple drank up in my cup, blowin dank up in my truck"
roflol

Where I'm from this is called sizzurp. :p
What I was trying to refer is this

[abaris]

I wanted to post this since the day this thread first cropped up. Now that it's finally derailed, I have no further excuse not to post it.