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the case against the case against god
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 (December 5, 2014 at 8:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(December 5, 2014 at 7:55 pm)abaris Wrote: What, pray tell, is supposed to be supernatural about us. Please, that's so not supernatural.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
 (December 5, 2014 at 8:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(December 5, 2014 at 7:55 pm)abaris Wrote: What, pray tell, is supposed to be supernatural about us. Neither is supernatural.  RE: the case against the case against god
December 5, 2014 at 10:37 pm
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2014 at 10:54 pm by Mystic.)
What I mean by supernatural, is they are beyond material, and are spiritual.
I find it odd how Atheists stay neutral regarding existence of God, but regarding everything that possibly points to him or regarding a mystical connection to him, outright deny. You might as well just deny God in the first place. Why play this game that you don't deny him but everything that possibly be linked to him like our own souls is denied to be a proof.  (December 5, 2014 at 10:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What I mean by supernatural, is they are beyond material, and are spiritual. Define 'spiritual'. Quote:I find it odd how Atheists stay neutral regarding existence of God, but regarding everything that possibly points to him or regarding a mystical connection to him, outright deny. I'm not neutral. I do not believe any gods exist. It's not a denial. It's the realization that everything you claim points to a god has more logical, more probable and likely purely natural explanations. Quote:You might as well just deny God in the first place. Why play this game that you don't deny him but everything that possibly be linked to him like our own souls is denied to be a proof. Because everything that you claim is linked to a god, has better, purely natural explanations. Define what a soul is and prove that a soul exists. You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.  RE: the case against the case against god
December 6, 2014 at 12:17 am
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(December 4, 2014 at 5:07 am)chris(tnt)rhol Wrote: Hello all. First time on this forum, would love to discuss atheism. Sure I'd settle for anything at all evidence like, other than personal testimonials whether current or ancient. Quoting of writing assumed to be the word of god is likewise unimpressive. (December 4, 2014 at 9:54 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Seeing a connection to God and knowing the connection is real should be enough proof. I think goodness, love, greatness, praise, value, are signs of this connection, and with reflection people can see we are connected to the Divine. Really reflect over the nature of things people deem spiritual, are they connected to a higher reality? Is there something more to them then the material world? And I've always taken love and goodness as signs that love and goodness are real responses in me to things I experience in life. I don't put much stock in "essences", "the nature of things people deem spiritual' or "higher realities". Those just seem like misuses of language, a brain buzzing around in a bottle. (December 5, 2014 at 8:00 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(December 5, 2014 at 7:55 pm)abaris Wrote: What, pray tell, is supposed to be supernatural about us. Why do you look for real experiences to fill the nonsense category of the supernatural? There is absolutely nothing you identify in the world or your experience of it which is 'obviously' beyond the natural. More likely you just need to enlarge your understanding of what is natural. It is a silly category.  (December 5, 2014 at 10:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What I mean by supernatural, is they are beyond material, and are spiritual. Well I don't stay neutral. Due to lack of evidence I think there is no god. All the things you mentioned that "point to him", have perfectly good rational explanations. Remember no mystery ever solved turned out to have a mystical solution. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. 
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The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
RE: the case against the case against god
December 6, 2014 at 5:43 am
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2014 at 5:45 am by robvalue.)
When did "I don't know" get banned as an answer to stuff? Is it cos of the EU? I'm voting UKIP. Except they promote handguns. So maybe not.
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