Deism: I don't get it

[robvalue]

Oh yeah. Damn he's messed up my mind.

Sure, the pantheistic view. If God is the universe, then God exists. But why give another label to something we already have a good word for?

[Norman Humann]

Oh yeah. Damn he's messed up my mind.

Sure, the pantheistic view. If God is the universe, then God exists. But why give another label to something we already have a good word for?

Like I said, it's just another way of comprehending the universe.

It's not about possibility. To me god is just a different way of desribing the universe, like science is to you. Except my approach is more spiritual and yours is entirely technical. I of course don't mean the biblical god or any other human invention.

Have you seen/read Life of Pi? It's kind of like that.

[robvalue]

Nah didn't like the look of that film.

I see, so it's a metaphor, to help you understand?

I'm not sure if we're talking about your beliefs here or if you are sparring with me

[Norman Humann]

Nah didn't like the look of that film.

It was pretty good. I liked it.

I see, so it's a metaphor, to help you understand?

Not exactly, it's an interpretation. It's how I see reality. I'm more right brained. Science doesn't speak to me. Spirituality does. It's how I see the world.

I'm not sure if we're talking about your beliefs here or if you are sparring with me

Come on, Rob. Nudge nudge. Say something like "but what about the afterlife?"

[robvalue]

Errrr, uhmmm.... OK

Now I know you're messing with me!

What the fuck is spirituality?

Oh... and "what about the afterlife?"

[Norman Humann]

Errrr, uhmmm.... OK

Now I know you're messing with me!

Messing with you? How is expressing my beliefs and worldview messing with people? Huh.

What the fuck is spirituality?

spirituality
noun spir·i·tu·al·i·ty \ˌspir-i-chə-ˈwa-lə-tē\

: the quality or state of being concerned with religion or religious matters
: the quality or state of being spiritual

Oh... and "what about the afterlife?"

Why, I'm so glad you asked!

You see, most religions claim that there is life after death. This is not entirely incorrect, though taking it literally -as in heaven being a place somewhere above where dead people go - sounds ridiculous.

After death, the particles of our body become part of the soil, therefore becoming a part of nature/universe/god. And since the same goes for everyone who dies, so it is true that we join our deceased loved ones after death.


"But what about cremation?"

Why, that's another great question!

When your body is cremated, the gases go in the air, so it's all the same.


"How about heaven and hell?"

Wow, you're on fire today! Another great question!

Heaven and hell exist here on earth. Though religions claim that it is the reward or punishment for our actions after death, it's almost instantenous. If you do something wrong, you feel bad about it. If you do something good, you feel good about it. Heaven or hell are a state of mind.


I'm nuts

[robvalue]

OK! Well, that seems to be all in order.

I diagnose you as a sceptic who is presenting scientific understanding cloaked in meaningless language such as "god" and "spiritual".

You're an atheist peter-pantheist.

[Norman Humann]

Excuuuuse you. I'm a pancake.

[robvalue]

OK, well I was close enough. Right, so that will be 570 euros for today, plus that other stuff you owe me.

[IATIA]

I always thought of Deism as a belief in god without religion. ritual or dogma.