Science Keeps Working

[Exian]

I don't have much faith (colloquially, put your boners away theists) in us finding the historical when and where of abiogenesis, but I can't fucking wait to have the how. The "why this" and "why not that" of its chemical make-up is something I hope to read about one day, as well.

[C4RM5]

Have they worked out what how to make everything else to form life? Serious question.

They're investigating.

Meanwhile, you guys are building arks to continue conning yourselves.

We don't need arks

[Minimalist]

Tell these fools.

https://arkencounter.com/

[C4RM5]

They are proving a point just like when scientists fired those lazers. I would like to change my orevious statement, I don't need an ark

[Jackalope]

"Might" and "Can be considered" are the building blocks of deception.
You have been had.

As opposed to you, who find absolute certainty in the bronze age scribblings of nomadic goat fuckers.

Yeah, it's us that's been had.

[Exian]

Carm, you seem like you are genuinely curious to learn more about the subject, and maybe other scientific realms. I say you hunt that trail down with the full force of your curiosity until your head hurts. I promise you two things: 1.) You won't regret the fun you have on that journey, some would equate the mystery of over turning stones with spirituality, and 2.) Nobody will be mad at you for learning (namely, Jesus).

Your only danger might be slaking your thirst, and losing wonder, but luckily the universe is vast enough that that shouldn't happen for awhile.

[C4RM5]

To be honest I have looked into it and read about it but personally it just doesn't cut it. It doesn't feel or sound plausible

[Exian]

I agree. There's a certain threshold crossed where observations no longer follow intuition. That's when I start from the basics and follow that white rabbit all over again, from the beginning. Most often, I learn that one last lynchpin that was holding me back from a fully encompassed understanding. That's actually just good advice in general for life. Never assume you won't learn something from the basics, even when you consider yourself adept.

[robvalue]

It's all true, it's not a con. I reckon it's your religious instincts fighting against it, because science does prove a lot of the bible to be nonsense. But that's reality.

Evolution and such are complex, but it doesn't take too long to get a basic understanding. It's all about very, very slight variations in offspring, and how well those changes deal with the surroundings. The ones with what turn out to be beneficial changes die less, and so that change is passed on.

It's just hard to visualise because we're talking about millions of years, but think of it as 1 plus 1 plus 1... It builds really slowly, but eventually it reaches any given number.

I hope you will give it a look, I've heard there's many good books out there that help you understand the basics. Don't let religion bully you into being ignorant, it's been doing that for far too long. Truth should not fear knowledge. And this is knowledge, it's not crackpot, it's proven. It's just the man on the street doesn't know enough about it, or the scientific method, to appreciate that.

It's not like when you investigate science you have to abandon your faith. Science makes no demands.

[pocaracas]

Poca, I see nothing wrong with the beginning statement of Genesis, it is totally concise.

It starts off with an unsupported, undefined, unverifiable concept.

Either creation is the result of a supernatural "Nature" or it is the result of a supernatural "Mind".
Long ago, I chose the thought process.

Reality doesn't care what you choose...
What is... just is.
Don't you care to know... or try to find out, instead of choosing an answer and sticking with that choice?

Silicon-based photovoltaic panels have about 10% efficiency in converting solar radiation into electricity. That rather pathetic efficiency is not of our choosing... it is an intrinsic property of the material. It has been discovered, it has been studied, it has been, with some extra elements, improved or degraded.
Either way, silicon behaves as it behaves.... regardless of what anyone chooses to accept about it.... it does its thing.
Don't you think it would sound moronic if someone were to say they choose to think that silicon behaved differently... like... with 80% efficiency, for example?