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Suicide
#81
RE: Suicide
(December 16, 2014 at 9:30 pm)Drich Wrote:
(December 16, 2014 at 9:15 pm)IATIA Wrote: You guys are really hard to keep up with. Changing definitions on the fly is very tough to follow.

I thought the father, son and holy ghost were one deity. Are you now saying that there are three?

. . .

How many Gods are there?
1
Of the one God how many individuals?
Father
Son
Holy Spirit.
(3)

You didn't answer the question. He asked whether the father, son, and the holy ghost together comprise one deity or three deities. Why don't you stick to what is written? What's your answer?
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#82
RE: Suicide
Threne. It's a special number.

I think they put the trinity in as a final test. If we can get them to believe this, they'll believe anything.
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#83
RE: Suicide
(December 17, 2014 at 12:13 pm)IATIA Wrote:
(December 17, 2014 at 12:24 am)Drich Wrote: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Again your arguement is based on a strawman fallacy.

My analogy, that means I get to set the terms that get compared. Not you.

What you did is take an element not being discussed, and created an argument, based on something you think you can defeat. Which again is the defination of a strawman.

Now that said your last post is an example of a red herring.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

Again, Not! I was attempting to understand your initial analogy. You attempted to compare two different groups. Analogies require similarities which you have failed to describe, obviously, ergo my confusion.

I don't understand the confusion as it has been outlined.

God is a title that in this case describe three indivisuals who make up the trinity/one God who is the creator of everything.
Next are The three branches of goverment are titles that describe the one national governing body that rules over the United States.

Your confusion seems to be intentional as you are introducing the indivisual members of goverment into the equation. As if this matters. Where your ploy to feign ignorance fails is in my analogy I am describing how more that one indivisual can be considered just one figure head/title or just in this case one goverment. That fact that you took my analogy that describes three seperate bodies of goverment and subdivided it into hundreds of indivisuals the fact remains that there is still only ONE federal goverment of the United states.

So again, if you still want to feign confusion then I will be able to not only rightfully identify logical fallacy, in your efforts to derail my analogy, I can now indenify an intentional effort to remain obtuse in your intelectually dishonest rebuttal.

The second grade version just incase you really are as slow as your pretending to be:

Drich: provides an anology that shows how more than one branches of goverment can be considered to be only one federal goverment, and then takes that example and applies it to the title of God.

Tri'9': wants to pretend that just because he has taken the 3 branches of goverment and subdivides it into hundreds of indivisual the analogy no long applies.

drich: the anology at its core simple states that one than one indivisual can still be considered one governing body. This is true in our federal goverment and this is still true of God. The number three in the federal goverment analogy is not the core issue being compared. It is the fact that many can still be considered to be one. Your subdivision of the federal goverment of the United states into hundreds of indivisual people only further PROOVES my point! Because again we only have one federal goverment in the United states.

Do you still pretend to not understand?

(December 17, 2014 at 4:29 pm)rasetsu Wrote:
(December 16, 2014 at 9:30 pm)Drich Wrote: . . .

How many Gods are there?
1
Of the one God how many individuals?
Father
Son
Holy Spirit.
(3)

You didn't answer the question. He asked whether the father, son, and the holy ghost together comprise one deity or three deities.
What is your understanding of that word? 'Deity?'

Quote:Why don't you stick to what is written?
Show me where I haven't book chapter and verse please.

Quote: What's your answer?
My answer has been spelled out many many times. Matter of fact I spelled it out again in my last post. (The second grade version breaks it down even further.)[/quote]

(December 17, 2014 at 4:31 pm)robvalue Wrote: Threne. It's a special number.

I think they put the trinity in as a final test. If we can get them to believe this, they'll believe anything.

Again I don't understand the confusion. God is a title and not a name. Three indivisuals

Father
Son
Holy Spirit

All share the title of God.

As in God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

Is the problem you all are having center around the fact that you do not understand this word 'title'?

Do you not know how this word works in relation to indivisuals?
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#84
RE: Suicide
(December 18, 2014 at 12:01 am)Drich Wrote: Three indivisuals

Father
Son
Holy Spirit

All share the title of God.

As in God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

Is the problem you all are having center around the fact that you do not understand this word 'title'?

Do you not know how this word works in relation to indivisuals?
So there are three gods.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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#85
RE: Suicide
(December 18, 2014 at 12:45 am)IATIA Wrote:
(December 18, 2014 at 12:01 am)Drich Wrote: Three indivisuals

Father
Son
Holy Spirit

All share the title of God.

As in God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

Is the problem you all are having center around the fact that you do not understand this word 'title'?

Do you not know how this word works in relation to indivisuals?
So there are three gods.

Do you not understand the word: "title?"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title

The title God is singular concerning the God of the bible. As there is only one God.

There are three indivisuals who share that title.
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#86
RE: Suicide
(December 18, 2014 at 12:55 am)Drich Wrote:
(December 18, 2014 at 12:45 am)IATIA Wrote: So there are three gods.

Do you not understand the word: "title?"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title

The title God is singular concerning the God of the bible. As there is only one God.

There are three indivisuals who share that title.

So we got three people and one god. Now we are up to four?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
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#87
RE: Suicide
Three entities, one God, one pill to make that seem plausible.
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#88
RE: Suicide
I ran for God once, as a Libertarian from the Santa Monica district. I fell short by a few votes, but I was able to know what my opponents were thinking, because we were all candidates for Godhood.

I was almost God - Santa Monica (L). Man, I even had my new resume entry written.

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#89
RE: Suicide
(December 18, 2014 at 12:01 am)Drich Wrote:
(December 17, 2014 at 4:29 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You didn't answer the question. He asked whether the father, son, and the holy ghost together comprise one deity or three deities.
What is your understanding of that word? 'Deity?'

So you're not going to answer the question. Big shock. Your evasion just makes it clear that you're embarrassed by your real answer.
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#90
RE: Suicide
It really does. We're supposed to accept the idea that this god is the creator of all things, that he knows all and can do anything he wills done, but any time that you ask questions regarding the consequences of such a claim, our questions are not answered. We are, ourselves, asked questions designed to lower the expectations we have about a being whose powers and knowledge are supposed to be boundless and subject to no restraints. We are blamed for flaws in human nature, instead of the programmer of that nature.

If you have to nerf your omni-perfect god every single time someone asks you to make sense of his behavior, you should really start asking yourself why it's necessary.
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