Suicide

[Tonus]

But, He went through Hell to do it.

And what exactly does that mean? What did he experience? Fire? A "separation from" himself? What did it mean for him to go through hell?

Because we are talking about a period of less than three days, compared to the ETERNITY that he had lived before that and the ETERNITY that he will live afterwards... both of those as the most powerful being in all of existence. You cannot even measure just how short and insignificant that time was, because it has to compare to INFINITY on both ends. He not only comes back, but he does so knowing he has a plan in place to punish any and every being that caused him even the slightest harm unless they agree to bow to him forever and ever and ever.

How anyone can equate his experience to "suffering" or "sacrifice" is simply beyond me.

[robvalue]

It is a sacrifice in the sense that someone has told you it's a sacrifice, and you don't think very hard about it.

[abaris]

As for OP's question - suicide, no.

It's more like the great Jesuini rising from the grave in some rural freak show. If Jesus was God in the flesh and god is eternal, he couldn't die in the first place.

And once again, the even deeper question is, if god was Jesus in the flesh, to whom did Jesus talk when asking to take away this cup from him? To whom did he make this supposed sacrifice, if he himself was god? Why did god need a sacrifice in the first place, when he's almighty and could have just as easily just said that the sins are forgiven without going through the horror show?

[robvalue]

I think the fact is that Jesus wasn't considered to be god until John the baptist (or whoever wrote his gospel) much later decided that he was. Which is why, as usual, the narrative makes little sense.

[Brakeman]

To a man with infinite money there is no meaning of a price tag. For a god of all powers, there is no meaning of a sacrifice.

The meaning wasn't for God to understand the cost of the forgiveness of our sins. The death on the cross and the beating before was so we could know the spiritual pain/loss God suffered to forgive our sins.

That statement shot over your head. Let me see if I can simplify it so you'll understand it.
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God can't suffer. A roman soldier can no more hurt a god than I can with my 45 long colt. To suffer you must experience something you wish not to experience, where as a god who creates all he experiences, only can experience that which he chooses to experience. While a human my choose to suffer for a cause, they do not choose the components of the suffering such as birth pain. A nerve signal, an evolutionary survival trait to avoid injury, has no effect on a god. God did not suffer, ever. A god does not fear.

Hell is often apologized as "a place without god", so god could not suffer in hell, there is nothing about hell that could hurt a god either.

So instead of posting more laughing smileys, explain to us how your claim that god sacrificed and suffered for us makes any sense.

[robvalue]

He... Chose to feel suffering for a little bit?

We really only have his word that he felt the suffering, even if he did. It's a bit hard to test that now under lab conditions.

[KevinM1]

I always chuckle at the sacrifice portion of the myth. Believers harp on it like it means anything. "God sacrificed his only son for YOU. That's how much he loves YOU." Except...

Well, as far as I know, there's no take backs with real sacrifice. The entire point of sacrifice is that it's a loss that can never be recovered. At least, not fully. Yet, three days later, Zombie Jesus arose, ready to eat the brains of the angels in heaven.

Moreover, the morality of sacrificing your only child (even though the child pulled a Jean Grey) when it was completely unnecessary (omnipotent god, after all) doesn't strike me as love. Especially when Jesus is part of god anyway. It comes across more like an unbalanced creeper cutting themselves over an unrequited love and screaming "I did it for YOU!"

Uh... no, thanks.

Ultimately, I just see little wisdom in modeling one's life and point of view based on the heavily modified stories of bronze-to-iron age Middle Eastern society.

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He... Chose to feel suffering for a little bit?

??

[Drich]

But, He went through Hell to do it.

And what exactly does that mean? What did he experience? Fire? A "separation from" himself? What did it mean for him to go through hell?

Because we are talking about a period of less than three days, compared to the ETERNITY that he had lived before that and the ETERNITY that he will live afterwards... both of those as the most powerful being in all of existence. You cannot even measure just how short and insignificant that time was, because it has to compare to INFINITY on both ends. He not only comes back, but he does so knowing he has a plan in place to punish any and every being that caused him even the slightest harm unless they agree to bow to him forever and ever and ever.

How anyone can equate his experience to "suffering" or "sacrifice" is simply beyond me.

Hell is seperation from the Father. The specifics that Christ endured is not outlined by the bible. But we know God emptied His cup of wrath onto Christ instead of us. As it has been said heaven and Hell are outside our temporal sphere. (1000 years is like a day, and a day can be like a 1000 years to God.) to measure what Christ endured by our standard is meaningless. Because once He passed from this life to the next His actual experience could have lasted a lot longer than what we understand by the passing of those three days.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hell is seperation from the Father. The specifics that Christ endured is not outlined by the bible. But we know God emptied His cup of wrath onto Christ instead of us. As it has been said heaven and Hell are outside our temporal sphere. (1000 years is like a day, and a day can be like a 1000 years to God.) to measure what Christ endured by our standard is meaningless. Because once He passed from this life to the next His actual experience could have lasted a lot longer than what we understand by the passing of those three days.

So Christ wasn't part of the Triune deity. Got it.

[Brakeman]

Hell is seperation from the Father. The specifics that Christ endured is not outlined by the bible. But we know God emptied His cup of wrath onto Christ instead of us. As it has been said heaven and Hell are outside our temporal sphere. (1000 years is like a day, and a day can be like a 1000 years to God.) to measure what Christ endured by our standard is meaningless. Because once He passed from this life to the next His actual experience could have lasted a lot longer than what we understand by the passing of those three days.

Since the son is the father, and the son is a god, he could not be separated from himself. Even if you wish to construct some imagined structural separation from his father god, because he was a god in his own right, he would have been infinitely powerful and complete so that separation from another god is without significance. If he has self hatred for something his creation does or did, then he would be as crazy as any mental patient. He endured nothing because his endurance is infinite. He suffered nothing because his ability to withstand any suffering is infinite.

It is all such a silly story..

Oh, and here is a rofl for you..