Evangelical Alliance: "We aren't homophobic women-haters"

[robvalue]

You don't have to be a homophobic woman hater to preach here, but it helps.

[abaris]

If you want to call a union between two dogs marriage you can. I jut said that I think it's wrong to change the meaning of an institution that is sacred to so many. How do you view my previous example of fraternities and sororities?

Well, have it your way within your circle. That's what I talked about earlier. You've got no business in deciding what society as a whole should look like as society has no business telling you how to live your life. Just keep it to yourself and the ones sharing the same views.

[robvalue]

How about fuck what the bible says. It says to stone people to death for working on a Sunday. How many times have you done that?

Also, the bible freely endorses polygamy. Don't hear many Christians backing that one.

Marriage has changed. It's no longer about religion, that is optional. Do whatever you want in your religious ceremonies, but keep your nose out of secular marriage.

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No one is suggesting religious people have to have gay marriages. So they can keep their religious aspect of it sacred or whatever.

Sad that anyone defers to superstious war mongers from 2000 years ago about the best way to live our lives.

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Why do you expect people who have nothing to do with your superstitions to still adhere to them? Do you pay any attention to the definition of marriage in any other religions?

Thought not.

[Nope]

The definition of marriage has changed according to the time period and place where the marriages took place. It wasn't until the Protestant Reformation that that the state got involved in defining marriage and creating rules for it.

For a good portion of history, marriage didn't need the government to make it legal. Two or more people could just say they were married. Maybe there were rituals involved but there was no government approved certificate.

In most European and American countries, people marry for love. That has not always been true.

Why can't marriage change again?

No. Not true. I hate drunkeness, but I used to be a drunk and I don't hate myself.

Are you trying to pass laws to prevent people from drinking alcohol or to forbid them from marrying someone who also occasionally gets drunk? If not, then your comparison doesn't work.

I like some homosexual people just fine and others not so much. My brother is gay and I love him, but I don't like him much because he continually bashes me when we talk on the phone. We never even get to discuss homosexuality. He has just assumed, for no valid reason, that I hate him

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Sexuality is like race in that you can't change it. If you have at all suggested to your brother that you love him but hate homosexuality, he has a right to be very angry and you should apologize. That is like telling someone that you love them but hate their race. It sounds horrible.

So your position is that because I believe homosexual relations are sinful that I hate homosexuals? And because I believe a woman should not be a pastor that means I hate women?

Yes, that is a hateful position to take. The particular religion and the interpretation of its holy book that someone follows says a lot about an individual. You decided which interpretation that you would follow. Not only did Jesus not mention homosexuality but the translation of the word that Paul used to say homosexuality was a sin has been disputed by many experts. You decided to go with the more negative translation which says something about you.

The same is true of women pastors. Paul contradicts himself a lot in the epistles. He tells women to be silent and gives instruction for women who make prophecies in church. How can women be silent but allowed to make prophecies also? Some experts think that more then one person wrote the letters or that Paul was writing to specific situations in specific cities with each letter.

Romans 16:1-2, “I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon in the church in Cenchreae. I ask that you receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and give to her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me.”

Phoebe was a deacon. How could she be a deacon and not teach men or have some position over men?

Here is a different interpretation of the bible then you are using. Which interpretation that you decide to follow is based on your own prejudices and biases.

http://reknew.org/2007/12/women-in-ministry/

[robvalue]

It's pathetic people won't take responsibility for their own prejudices and must hide beyond a story book.

[FatAndFaithless]

Did..we really get a comparison of gay marriage to dogs? And he's wondering why we view his ilk in a negative light?

[abaris]

Did..we really get a comparison of gay marriage to dogs? And he's wondering why we view his ilk in a negative light?

Probably because it's not that far removed from their minds.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1404048/missour...-with-dog/

[Chad32]

I've seen it compared to bestiality, so it isn't far of a stretch for them to compare it to dogs being married. Despite it still being a union between two consenting adult Humans. Which is still more than it used to be, where marriage could mean a union between a man, and a woman he kidnapped from a town after he and his allies slaughtered everyone but the virgin girls. Or a union between a rapist and his victim.

What is this sanctity of marriage they talk about? In biblical times women were bought and sold like chattel. You didn't go to a woman and ask her to accept you as her husband. You went to her dad and paid him fifty silver, if he was part of the same religion as you. If not, just kill everyone who cares about her, and drag her off.

Why do christians act like monogamy between consenting adults isn't this new radical concept?

[JonDarbyXIII]

Pat Robertson has said that Planned Parenthood exists simply to promote fornication, adultery, bestiality, and homosexuality.

[robvalue]

Well, my religion says that only gay marriage is allowed. If you do any straight marriages, then you're being inconsiderate to my religion and my god. That ok with you christians? Or is it just the biggest religions that get to dictate to everyone?

I'm sick and tired of christians thinking they have the right to rule everyone with their bullshit.