Is Jesus the son of God?

[Minimalist]

Damn you, Bruce. You've got ME agreeing with the Prof.

I hate it when that happens!

[Whateverist]

We have ONE story of your boy: The so-called gospel of mark. Everything else is derived from it by other authors who added in various claims and miracles to impress the dolts....successfully, I might add. They are FanFics in modern parlance.

Heh heh heh heh. Could someone more technologically savvy than yours truly please park this in the appropriate Hall of Wit, Mirth or both?

[Free]

I find this statement to be an inaccurate portrayal of my position, as I clearly stated my position in a previous post, and you either missed it, or chose to ignore it.

Nonetheless, here it is again:


https://atheistforums.org/thread-30305-p...#pid823721

Hopefully you will keep that in mind as this discussion continues, so that we can avoid unnecessary ad hominems in an effort to keep this discussion civilized.

I read it. I'm simply not impressed by it...or you.

Aslan or Ehrmann make the same claims. They look over the story and subtract what is inconvenient for them. It's called the Sharpshooter Fallacy, you can look that up too.

The entire Mythicist argument does a far better job of employing the Sharp Shooter fallacy than Aslan or Ehrmann could ever hope to achieve.

Most mythicists that I encounter are more denialists than true skeptics. Their arguments are so illogical and improbable as to defy reason to such an extreme as to be nothing short of absurd, in my opinion.

We have ONE story of your boy: The so-called gospel of mark. Everything else is derived from it by other authors who added in various claims and miracles to impress the dolts....successfully, I might add.

That is one view held by many, other views vary.

So which parts of the story are you willing to sacrifice to your modern sense of "historicity." Remember that whatever you come up with - except the resurrection which was not in the original 'mark' - will not be backed up by the only evidence you claim to have.

It's not so much about what I am willing to sacrifice as much as it is about what I am willing to accept.

[Minimalist]

Toe-may-toe - toe-mah-toe.

You're still cherry-picking, eh Prof?

[Free]

Well Brucer, the intelligent thing then, is to throw the whole thing out.
Of what benefit to you is your position?
You join the many who concocted their own version - good luck on that one.

Actually no. The more intelligent thing for you to do is to realize what is exceptionally improbable, what is an embellishment, and what defies all reason, and throw that out.

Whatever remains is then worthy of approaching credulity.

[professor]

OK Brucer, once you get done removing all your considered non-real items, you may as well join Whaterverist and Min or the Muslims for that matter, because what you have left is useless.

The whole point of Christianity is He paid a price no-one else can pay.
If Jesus was born from the bloodline of Adam- he would have the same load of goofed up-ness which we all have and would be impotent to save even himself.

[Minimalist]

[Elskidor]

This is fun.

[Free]

OK Brucer, once you get done removing all your considered non-real items, you may as well join Whaterverist and Min or the Muslims for that matter, because what you have left is useless.

The whole point of Christianity is He paid a price no-one else can pay.
If Jesus was born from the bloodline of Adam- he would have the same load of goofed up-ness which we all have and would be impotent to save even himself.

That's the main stream Christian philosophy, and although I respect it, I completely disagree with it.

After you have removed the Christian embellishments, what is left over is the actual religious philosophy of Jesus the Nazarene; a philosophy that cannot be understood while maintaining the typical Christian point of view.

Unless you are willing to actually give Jesus a real chance at being understood, then all you are doing is adhering to Christian dogma, of which Jesus the Nazarene has nothing to do with.

[Minimalist]

Which will emerge as the Truest Xtian?

I claim the right to take on the winner!