It's OK to kill cops if you're a Republican

[CapnAwesome]

Due to the highly partisan atmosphere, the reaction of many liberals is to point fingers and become highly defensive, rather than offer any positive solution, and in doing so, we just feed into the partisan atmosphere that has us gridlocked. By allowing ourselves to slip into this us vs. them mentality, we are enabling the rigid, no-compromise movement.

I think we're in agreement about the problem but not the solution.

You can't negotiate with a group that sees negotiation as a weakness. We've seen Obama try that for six years and you see where that's gotten him.

You can't reason with someone like, let's just say, ATheist. You can point out to him where Fox has actively lied to him (as I did recently) and he shrugs it off. He's gone. I see no reason, given my experiences elsewhere, to think anyone else in the GOP base is any more open to reason. I mean, look at the title of this thread. Do you actually believe that or expect moderates and independants (like myself) to fall for that crap.

The best solution I see is a complete electoral crushing of the GOP.

Step 1 in this campaign is that the "both sides" lie has got to go. Once that happens, their last line of defense is gone. They'll have no where to hide once they're caught lying, being abusive, being corrupt or just generally incompetent.

Step 2 is to reason with and convince more and more moderates. Once the "both sides" lie is stripped away, more Americans will see the need to deal with the people responsible for the mess.

Step 3 is to reduce the base of the GOP to a screaming minority and political irrelevancy.

You can't reason with you anymore. You say absurd shit all the time when it comes to politics. You have literally said there is no reason to hate Obama and you have literally said that Bush did nothing positive at all in 8 years. That's called being an ideologue. Of course both sides do it. If it's a winning strategy you would do it. Duh. This is stuff people learn in political science 101.

[DeistPaladin]

You can't reason with you anymore. You say absurd shit all the time when it comes to politics.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the reason you like my posts so much on other matters is because I do think about issues rationally and you recognize that when it's not about your favorite beliefs? Maybe, just maybe, I'm right and you're wrong when it comes to politics? Have you ever considered that?

You have literally said there is no reason to hate Obama

No, I haven't "literally" (or metaphorically) said any such thing. I personally think he's been a massive disappointment.

What I keep doing is asking conservatives a question: why do you hate him with such intensity that you're willing to shut down the government and even threaten to default on our nation's bills, causing a massive economic calamity? If it's not because he's black, then why?

I have yet to receive an answer.

and you have literally said that Bush did nothing positive at all in 8 years.

Those weren't my exact words so I didn't "literally" say that but it is a paraphrasing of my view, so I won't mark you down for a misuse of the word "literally". From wrecking the economy to lying us into a war, I'd say his administration was an unmitigated disaster.

By the way, here's a good video on grammar and the proper use of the word "literally":




Getting back to your issue, my view on W Bush feeds into your "both sides" ideology, right? "See, liberals hated W Bush so BOTH SIDES".

Um, except we hated W Bush for good reasons which we can articulate, so no.

Edit: ...and we didn't shut down the government. ...and we didn't threaten to default on our bills. ...and we didn't filibuster every bill in the Senate just for spite. ...and we didn't ask Bush to prove he was born in America. ...and we didn't heckle him in the middle of a SOTU address. ...and we didn't investigate him on every crackpot conspiracy theory. ...and...

That's called being an ideologue.

And that's called an ad hominem.

Instead of calling me a big meanie, how about offering a coherent counter-argument once in a while?

Of course both sides do it.

No, both sides don't.

The GOP has lost its mind.
The Democratic Party has lost its spine.
Both have lost something but that doesn't count as "BOTH SIDES!"

Your post is a total fail.

Try again?

[DeistPaladin]

Hey CapnAwesome, I've noticed a pattern in our exchanges:

1. You throw down the gauntlet.
2. I pick it up.
3. You call me names.
4. I ask you if you have a coherent argument to offer.
5. You run away.

If you're not going to engage me with logical arguments or defend your positions with anything coherent, why do you even bother? I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you.