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Can you make a God claim?
RE: Can you make a God claim?
Yeah, to sum up, no one has made a testable god claim. My hypothesis was that it is impossible, and I feel more confident that this is the cause. As soon as any supernatural elements are included in a claim, it becomes untestable right away. Chad has a different set of rules which none of us understand.

Other people also make vague statements about being able to test things in ways other than scientifically, but I've seen no demonstration that this even makes sense.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
(January 14, 2015 at 6:26 am)Grasshopper Wrote: It's interesting to see how old this thread is and how recent posts have nothing to do with the OP
The OP demands a God claim that can be subjected to empirical verification. The point of contention is now over whether all only truths that can be empirically tested count as knowledge.

Pick_up, are you retreating into conceptualism?
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
(January 14, 2015 at 6:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Pick_up, are you retreating into conceptualism?
Do you have any examples of universals in which their truth is not due to necessity of logical construct but established on the basis of judgment acquired and guided by sense perception?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
(January 13, 2015 at 9:08 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Mathematics is not true because it's successful; its successful because it is true. You guys have it totally backwards.
But mathematical knowledge is evolutionary. People didn't just start writing a buch of numbers in any order they wanted and call it math. They tested mathematical ideas against reality-- so that the truths were revealed, and the falsehoods melted away into obscurity. So it is true that 2+2=4. However, the knowledge that 2+2=4 required people to put 2 and 2 things together, count them again, and arrive at that understanding.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
Plant god claim stands as best claim.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
(January 14, 2015 at 6:57 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:
(January 14, 2015 at 6:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Pick_up, are you retreating into conceptualism?
Do you have any examples of universals in which their truth is not due to necessity of logical construct but established on the basis of judgment acquired and guided by sense perception?
Please restate the question. Not sure for what you are asking.
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
An example of a universal truth based on an opinion rather than science. Thinking
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
(January 14, 2015 at 11:56 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Please restate the question. Not sure for what you are asking.
On what grounds can you demonstrate that your universals are not simply hypothetical? If you reply that it is through conception, you've "retreated." If you have evidence we can examine in the real world, now would be a good time to share it.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
(January 15, 2015 at 12:17 am)IATIA Wrote: An example of a universal truth based on an opinion rather than science. Thinking
Whenever science says it had something wrong and someone notes it, defenders all point out that science doesn't claim to know anything for sure.

Are you saying otherwise?
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RE: Can you make a God claim?
(January 16, 2015 at 1:27 pm)alpha male Wrote:
(January 15, 2015 at 12:17 am)IATIA Wrote: An example of a universal truth based on an opinion rather than science. Thinking
Whenever science says it had something wrong and someone notes it, defenders all point out that science doesn't claim to know anything for sure.

Are you saying otherwise?

Science can't claim to know everything yet. While scientists work in various fields of science providing us as people information about our world and the universe we are in as factual and testable methods. Something like religion does not offer in one slightest bit is words and you have to believe them to be true. And well science gives you the answer religion keeps giving you more questions than answers. With science you will get your answer fairly quickly if the information is there or eventually since its still being tested.
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