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Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 9:53 am
Once upon a time (actually around the Haiti earthquake) Voudu came up in a discussion, and I said something about it being a Christian sect, which the local Christian got testy about. I pointed out that the vast majority of Haitian Vouduns are Catholic and attend Mass regularly. That was rejected....but here's the point, should religions be group by phylogeny? Thus Voudu is both West African and Christian, as it developed from those.
Alternately, you use the internal guidelines for what is or is not included - like when Muslims decide what branches of Sufism are still okay, or why the Kurdish religions unbelievers. Christians generally quote the bit where Jesus said "the only way to the Father is through me" (BTW, the vast majority of religious scholars attest that he did NOT say that and it was added later), so anyone who accepts Jesus is a Christian? Which doesn't explain why Voudun aren't Christians.
Yeah, I know, it's silly. Don't need to say that. Go vent somewhere else.
Just a random aside, I'm working on a setting for FRPG where the Caribbean and SAmerica get cut off from this world right around the Haitian rebellion, and thus Voudu actually becomes the state religion of the Empire of Nef Guineé.
My book, a setting for fantasy role playing games based on Bantu mythology: Ubantu
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RE: Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 10:02 am
If you worship Jesus, and put Yahweh before anything else, you're a christian. The friction comes in if you don't follow other commandments. Although Jesus didn't say if you break a commandment you'll go to hell. He said you'd be called least in heaven. This is how you can still have homosexual christians, despite some people saying homosexuality is a fast track to hell. Can these guys be christian? Sure. Seems a bit witchcrafty, though, and there is that verse about never suffering a witch to live.
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RE: Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 10:27 am
VooDoo or Voudu is the worship and invocation of many spirits and sub-order gods. So no they are not Christian as the primary Command is to worship and love the One God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou
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RE: Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 10:40 am
Christians are really spotty about enforcing franchise agreements. (and we won't even talk about how high I set the bar for claimants)
I'd think one would be more likely to see a Voudun handling serpents and/or drinking poison (the Haitian water would qualify, BTW) and that is in fact listed in Scripture as a way we could ID a believer.
So Drich is incorrect.
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RE: Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 10:45 am
Anyone can make a sect for christianity all they keep the the only 2 important things god and jesus after that they could make up any back story they want.
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RE: Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 10:46 am
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2015 at 10:47 am by vorlon13.)
I also infer, Drich is referring to one of the 10 Commandments in his post, and I must also point out Matthew (one of the 4 gospels since there seems at times to be limited familiarity here with the gospels*) fails to record Jesus endorsing that commandment, instead, He is noted as pruning the list to 5 or so. This would be another insuperable difficulty with Drich's claim the Vouduns aren't Christian.
*case in point
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RE: Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 10:53 am
(January 12, 2015 at 10:46 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I also infer, Drich is referring to one of the 10 Commandments in his post, and I must also point out Matthew (one of the 4 gospels since there seems at times to be limited familiarity here with the gospels*) fails to record Jesus endorsing that commandment, instead, He is noted as pruning the list to 5 or so. This would be another insuperable difficulty with Drich's claim the Vouduns aren't Christian.
*case in point
10 Commandments were destroyed by moses...
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RE: Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 10:54 am
Wiki notes the existence of snake charmers in Haiti, and I would suspect that implies indigenous poisonous serpents, as the excitement of watching a snake charmer is considerably reduced if the serpent is nontoxic.
So we have deadly serpent handling in Haiti too.
I'm pretty satisfied, as I trust most everyone else here is, that Drich is incorrect.
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RE: Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 11:37 am
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2015 at 11:41 am by Drich.)
(January 12, 2015 at 10:40 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Christians are really spotty about enforcing franchise agreements. (and we won't even talk about how high I set the bar for claimants)
I'd think one would be more likely to see a Voudun handling serpents and/or drinking poison (the Haitian water would qualify, BTW) and that is in fact listed in Scripture as a way we could ID a believer.
So Drich is incorrect.
We all agree on the greatest commands. That's what makes us Christian. Worshiping the one God is the highest of the high commands it is the quintessential requirement for Christianity. If you can not limit your dealings with the one God then you are not Christian.
Christ's own words:
Mat 22:36 He said, “Teacher, which command in the law is the most important?”
37 Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and most important command. 39 And the second command is like the first: ‘Love your neighbor[b] the same as you love yourself.’[c] 40 All of the law and the writings of the prophets take their meaning from these two commands.”
(January 12, 2015 at 10:46 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I also infer, Drich is referring to one of the 10 Commandments in his post, and I must also point out Matthew (one of the 4 gospels since there seems at times to be limited familiarity here with the gospels*) fails to record Jesus endorsing that commandment, instead, He is noted as pruning the list to 5 or so. This would be another insuperable difficulty with Drich's claim the Vouduns aren't Christian.
*case in point
I love it when you guys put on your exegitical hats!
Nice try but again In the passage above Christ Himself outlines our greatest command.
(January 12, 2015 at 10:53 am)dyresand Wrote: (January 12, 2015 at 10:46 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I also infer, Drich is referring to one of the 10 Commandments in his post, and I must also point out Matthew (one of the 4 gospels since there seems at times to be limited familiarity here with the gospels*) fails to record Jesus endorsing that commandment, instead, He is noted as pruning the list to 5 or so. This would be another insuperable difficulty with Drich's claim the Vouduns aren't Christian.
*case in point :
10 Commandments were destroyed by moses...
:Facepalm:
(January 12, 2015 at 10:54 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Wiki notes the existence of snake charmers in Haiti, and I would suspect that implies indigenous poisonous serpents, as the excitement of watching a snake charmer is considerably reduced if the serpent is nontoxic.
So we have deadly serpent handling in Haiti too.
I'm pretty satisfied, as I trust most everyone else here is, that Drich is incorrect.
Maybe if you keep saying Drich is incorrect the rest of the sheep will follow suit? Is that your line of reasoning?
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RE: Is Voudu a Christian Religion, or How to Classify Religions
January 12, 2015 at 11:42 am
No, it's just an additional belief-set held by some christians who sometimes borrow thematic elements (though, obviously, being christian is not a requirement for holding that belief-set) .
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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