My Fellow Atheist

[fr0d0]

How do you attack ppl who are defending you! That's a mind fuck!

For the record - I have no problem with insults. I take them on the chin as if I were new here. It's all good. I loves that stuffs.

If only they had the honesty to say "Yes, perhaps it is possible that it could be my brain making up stimuli to make me feel fuzzy inside with a bit of wishful thinking."

Don't I always say that?

[tavarish]

How do you attack ppl who are defending you! That's a mind fuck!

For the record - I have no problem with insults. I take them on the chin as if I were new here. It's all good. I loves that stuffs.

If only they had the honesty to say "Yes, perhaps it is possible that it could be my brain making up stimuli to make me feel fuzzy inside with a bit of wishful thinking."

Don't I always say that?

If by "always" you mean "never", then sure.

[tackattack]

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tackattack wrote:"so then do idea's exist?"

definition from wikipedia:
In the most narrow sense, an idea is just whatever is before the mind when one thinks. Very often, ideas are construed as representational images; i.e. images of some object. In other contexts, ideas are taken to be concepts, although abstract concepts do not necessarily appear as images.[1] Many philosophers consider ideas to be a fundamental ontological category of being.

Obviously ideas cannot exist in the physical realm as you and I do. That is the reason that I think ideas are as described above concepts created within the mind. Almost everything we know to exist in the physical realm such as tables, chairs, electronic inventions started out as ideas or concepts based on the development of previous knowledge. Once they made it past the thinking and planning stage the labor of making those ideas a reality through the act of invention and ingenuity brought those ideas into existence. Your God is an idea but his existence is beyond the realm of reality and the proof of said existence is unattainable.

The concept of god started as an idea, was accepted and believed, and finally was charged with the investment of ones emotional content. This is what gives the idea of god life but if you can't do this (believe without proof) then god remains an idea and nothing more.

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So only those that have made those ideas into reality through ingenuity and invention can claim its existence? My concept of a computer came from a computer, not from building one. Just because I've come to learn more about the nature of computers doesn't mean they didn't exist. If God is the original creator, then our knowledge of his existence comes from that which he's created and says nothing of the truth of his existence; but does lead me to believe. I agree the concept of God started as an idea from observations, just like I first observed a computer and learned to define.

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Not that anyone is saying you're wrong. Frodo is a generic geriatric old deluded theist melodramatic dipshit, but he's a well loved and respected generic geriatric old deluded theist melodramatic dipshit.

He, and others here, subscribe to their own brand of christianity. They don't subscribe to parts of the bible they dislike and subscribe to the parts they like. They use words to describe their brands like; common-sense, logic, deductive reasoning. Their stand(s) on the matter could be boiled down to "I make it up as I go along." An expanded version of 'Goddidit'.

And that particular type of theology is most frustrating to discuss.

If only they had the honesty to say "Yes, perhaps it is possible that it could be my brain making up stimuli to make me feel fuzzy inside with a bit of wishful thinking."

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@dotard- If by my own brand you mean established since 1881, and by picking and choosing you meant reading within as original context as possible then I completely agree

@tav- I've said that many times to many people and in case you missed it: It is quite possible that my brain alone could make up the reality of God and my religion has an intrinsic bit of wishfull thinking thrown in.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

And that particular type of theology is most frustrating to discuss.

Indeed,but slightly less than the 'for-every-drop-of-rain-a-flower-grows ' school so popular in the early 1960's and less infuriating than the humbuggery of prosperity theology. (aka Calvinism lite)

'God-did-it' is the predictable response of the child and of the unreflective, mentally lazy and and ignorant adult.

It's a self serving fiction that such a view [in principle] is the result of stupidity or mental illness.

[chatpilot]

@tackattack: You can't compare mundane things with the supernatural it just doesn't work. You can't know anything about god by observing his so called creations in the natural world, emphasis on natural. The world is not as perfect as many theists claim it to be. It is full of apparent order but within that order there is chaos as well which is expected in a natural world. You do not have to build a computer to understand how to use one, but unlike your god a computer is physically present and through learning you can also understand how it works and through reverse engineering you can build one of your own if you were so inclined.

[tackattack]

And within that chais there's uniformity. I hope science continues to try and reverse engineer God with gene research, the "God" particle, quantum singularity, etc.

[chatpilot]

There is no room for god in science, any attempt to find god through science would be a complete waste of time, energy, and funds.

[TimeDivider]

I too must rush to the defence of my adopted son.

Take a look at the number of posts he's made, how long he's been here, his reputation and note the fact that he's seventh in the 'top members of all time' list, just below me :p. Agreed, he's a geriatric old deluded theist :S but he's earned his place here and that, in my book, commands a certain degree of respect.

He may not be an atheist but in every other respect he's one of us so, as padraic suggested, take some time to understand the mind behind the mask before you vent your spleen.

The amount of posts someone has made and their place in the rankings on a message board will garner zero respect from me. I'm sorry, but to gauge the weight of someone based on the amount of things they have said is the most ridiculous notion I have ever heard. I don't mean to upset your message board politics, but that is bullshit, plain and simple.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

The amount of posts someone has made and their place in the rankings on a message board will garner zero respect from me. I'm sorry, but to gauge the weight of someone based on the amount of things they have said is the most ridiculous notion I have ever heard. I don't mean to upset your message board politics, but that is bullshit, plain and simple.

Please note the use of emoticons. My post and I think Darwinian's were a gentle chiding for your personal insult of Frodo. Unnecessary and a breach of forum rules.

I also disagree that post numbers in themselves deserve respect. Frodo has earned any respect he has here,as has everyone else who has any. IF you demonstrate a capacity for critical thought or at least of being a sincere idiot you may eventually join that group..

[TimeDivider]

The amount of posts someone has made and their place in the rankings on a message board will garner zero respect from me. I'm sorry, but to gauge the weight of someone based on the amount of things they have said is the most ridiculous notion I have ever heard. I don't mean to upset your message board politics, but that is bullshit, plain and simple.

Please note the use of emoticons. My post and I think Darwinian's were a gentle chiding for your personal insult of Frodo. Unnecessary and a breach of forum rules.

I also disagree that post numbers in themselves deserve respect. Frodo has earned any respect he has here,as has everyone else who has any. IF you demonstrate a capacity for critical thought or at least of being a sincere idiot you may eventually join that group..

I'm counting the days.