Supreme Court to decide on marriage equality

[abaris]

People usually accept more gay marriage than adoption because in the first there's only two consenting adults but in the second they are hurting the kid (their argument)... It's really weird that adoption got legalized first.

As I said, they have the civil union, which gives them equal legal rights. The conservatives fight tooth and nails against calling it marriage.

It's not about the people by the way, it's about the parties. As always, the conservatives have their pants in a twist and they're in the government. Also this decision is a supreme court decision. Politics wouldn't have reacted if there hadn't been a lawsuit and an ensuing ruling in favor of gay rights.

[Roxy904]

Of course the bigots will lose. They will be seen in history as almost on par to those who protested black/white marriage.
I saw a great video recently. It was called 'anti-gay speech with surprising end(or surprising twist)' or something of that nature. Look it up if you want.
I hope it becomes legal nationally; where I live, we still don't have marriage equality.
I just want to be able to go to my uncles' wedding. Is it really that difficult?

[Minimalist]

Yes, dear. When bigots hide behind jesus it is always difficult.

[vorlon13]

LOL !!

I'm experiencing a little quirk of human nature.


Back in the day, just a few years after Stonewall, I was volunteering with a campus Gay Liberation organization, and going to gay bars on the weekend. Sometimes the Unitarians would let us have a dance at their church, which was pretty enlightened for 1975.

There was a strong bond in our group, and we were all aware there was a very long way to go in regards to just basic acceptance, let alone housing and work protections. The entire Anita Bryant mess started in 1977 and she was an incredible threat. We saw 'Kill a Queer for Christ" t-shirts and stickers around, serious talk of concentration camps or long prison terms were bandied about. Vandalism (and worse) for cars parked anywhere near a gay bar on Friday and Saturday night was a concern, along with walking from your car to the bar and back safely. Several of us, after hearing someone yell "FAGGOTS!!" would yell back "WHERE ????"

One year the college group received some money from the student government (to this day I don't know how that happened) but it didn't happen again.

Well, anyhow, where I'm headed is, there is a certain flavor of camaraderie that exists in a persecuted group. We all shared it, and those of us still around today remember that feeling. Us against them, a long fight, and maybe a better future for all of us and those that follow.

Well, it happened, the long fight may not be over, but we've gone lightyears farther than I ever imagined.


But I'm missing that feeling we had back then, and missing it bad . . .

[Cato]

Sad really. The only reason this matter is before the court is because of bigoted intollerant religious cunts who wish to use the idea of religious freedom to deny others their 'GOD' given liberty. 'Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness' and 'We the People' magically disappear from the lexicon of those that oppose same sex marriage.

On the off chance that some dipshit Christian wants to invoke the idea of 'Creator' from the Declaration of Independence, I'll leave you with Jefferson's original phrase:

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ...

[Regina]

I don't quite understand where this entitlement comes from that Christians have, that they feel marriage is "theirs" to dictate the rules.

Marriage is a far older practice than we tend to think it is. It stretches back into pre-history across cultures on every continent who practiced so many varying ceremonies and interpretations of marriage. Some cultures also recognised gay partnerships before Christianity.

Suddenly Christianity comes along, gets a monopoly on the institution of marriage and gets to dictate the rules. It sucks. It's not their invention to say what a "valid" marriage is or what isn't.

[Foxaèr]

That is the problem with religion. It allows otherwise rational people to behave irrationally to the point where they believe they are entitled by the rules of their god to dictate the lives of others.

[Regina]

In a way, I feel almost like it would be different if it was a Christian invention. Like if someone wanted to start doing communion in a different way, and Christians felt it was the "wrong" way, I'd feel even if it's still irrational at least it's their tradition to have some say in it.

It's just this monopoly on marriage I don't like, which is why it does piss me off when Christians talk about defending "the Christian marriage". It's not yours. You don't make the rules.

[vorlon13]

And I know I harp about this, but again:

the christers want to define marriage to exclude gays, but christ (who's real to them) defined marriage for them, notably Mark 10:11, and damn few of them feel compelled to follow their own faith's strictures in regards to their own marriages. BUT JESUS SAID TO !!!

Yet they want to make rules for the gays that they gays will have to follow regardless of how they feel about it.

Those playing the bible bullshit on others had damn better be following EVERY jot and tittle in those same bibles themselves. Christ did, afterall, fail to mention homos, but he sure as hell condemned fucking hypocrites.

[Minimalist]

I don't quite understand where this entitlement comes from that Christians have, that they feel marriage is "theirs" to dictate the rules.

They think jesus said so.....