NASA and the missing day

[Godscreated]

I have heard about this for many years and in my teens took it as fact, however growing in maturity and reading books for myself found the NASA thing not to be true. There are historical records from several places in the ancient world that do record a extra long day at the same time that Joshua lived.
Some of these peoples would have not known each other, some wouldn't have know some of these people existed. Admittedly I've not done a complete study of this, but here is some thing to consider.

There is apologetic value in ancient legends from various parts of the globe, however, including the following: “It is reported by historians that records of the Chinese during the reign of Emperor Yeo, who lived at the same time as Joshua, report ‘a long day.’ Also, Heroditus, a Greek historian, wrote that an account of ‘a long day’ appears in records of Egyptian priests. Others cite records of Mexicans of the sun standing still for an entire day in a year denoted as ‘Seven Rabits,’ which is the same year in which Joshua defeated the Philistines and conquered Palestine.” (Bible-Science Newsletter, Daily Reading Magazine, Supplement, Vol. VIII, No. 5, May 1978, Caldwell, Idaho.)

Additionally, the historical lore of the Aztecs, Peruvians, and Babylonians speak of a “day of twice natural length.” See http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword16a.htm ; see also Immanuel Velikovsky’s “Worlds in Collision.” If Joshua’s long day (not “missing” day) occurred—and of course I believe that it did—then we would expect its effects to show up in the historical records of other nations, and that is exactly what we find.
https://bible.org/question/has-%E2%80%9C...ntifically

GC

[SteelCurtain]

Here's the deal: believers have inured themselves to the fantastic. They believe stories like Lot's wife turning into a salt pillar, Jonah living inside the whale, raining frogs, virgin births, zombie re-animations, etc. I think there is a corner of their brain that they unconsciously turn off in order to remain inured. I don't think they're being purposely deceitful for the most part. I also think that they cannot fathom that other people aren't inured like they are, so they can honestly say ridiculous things---they aren't aware it's ridiculous.

[Crossless2.0]

I'll play. Why not? G_C, leaving aside the fact that we have no good reason to believe the so-called Exodus ever happened and that the conquest of the promised land as told in the book of Joshua is also fiction, just when do you believe these events happened? You seem pretty sure, for instance, that the legendary Chinese emperor Yeo lived at the same time, but I don't think you've really looked into that claim.

According to the Bible's genealogies, when did 'Joshua' supposedly live?

[JuliaL]

The more numbers you have supporting your delusion/cult, the more your delusion/cult become a religion.

I'll go with this explanation and add a little expansion.
The (super)organism which is the religion prospers more, is more persistent and stable with more members. Its dependence on the delusions of its components to grow and prosper is a trait selected for. I expect the individual members prosper as well in their sense of well being, the protection of the community and as they ride along when the religion dukes it out with other religions, sometimes violently, sometimes not.
The specific urban myth is just one bit of variation in this blind amoeba on which selection works as is the special blindness of the faithful. The traits which survive selection become dogma, at least for as long as they remain useful.
The fact that they are not true is immaterial.

[vorlon13]

Worlds in Confusion?

Velikovsky's 'theory' is another example of a chain of reasoning, cobbled together to reach a foregone conclusion, and in Velikovsky's case, EVERY link in his chain of reasoning has been broken, and not just broken, but totally destroyed.

I realize the appeal to christers of this particular form of reasoning, but when addressing anyone with a molecule of science knowledge, just the mention of Velikovsky will get the entire case attempting to be made put in the ultra woo-woo file.

Of all his mistakes, perhaps the most significant to those folks in the christer orbit is he asserts the Exodus occurred almost 1000 years from when it had to occur, if it did.

Venus cartwheeling around the solar system might do some wacky shit (if it was remotely possible, and it ain't), but desynchronizing time on earth by a millenium is so wacky I might wonder why the christers aren't laughing at Velikovsky too.

Even as DESPERATE of a situation from the apologist viewpoint as it is, I suppose even total horseshit might be put forth to shore up an already decrepit song and dance number to 'prove' scripture.

[The Grand Nudger]

I doubt that "people" -are- lying. They're repeating a narrative told to them, that, for whatever reason - they accept to be true. That we don't always accept things to be true for the best of reasons is par for the course. Happens to everybody, eh? I think that a true charlatan is rare.

[downbeatplumb]

I doubt that "people" -are- lying. They're repeating a narrative told to them, that, for whatever reason - they accept to be true. That we don't always accept things to be true for the best of reasons is par for the course. Happens to everybody, eh?

Trickle down economics is a similar lie.

But then it was started by this chap..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FaH7ATXkWg

[Full Circle]

We also have the sun ”dancing in the sky” with 40,000 “witnesses” hock:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

If one is predisposed to believing and seeing what they want to see it’s quite probable that people could even claim to see, oh, I don’t know, Bigfoots or Nessies.

[Brian37]

That is a bullshit argument pulled out of the bible's ambiguous words. It has also been used in the apologist book "Evidence That Demands A Virdict".

There is not one major religion that does not try to attack science or co opt science. No book of antiquity has any modern understanding of science.

It is nothing more than trying to retro fit after the fact.

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We also have the sun ”dancing in the sky” with 40,000 “witnesses” hock:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

If one is predisposed to believing and seeing what they want to see it’s quite probable that people could even claim to see, oh, I don’t know, Bigfoots or Nessies.

I was going to mention that. Just last month on a podcast I was a guest on one of the other callers brought it up. If you read the actual entry all the way through, which the conspiracy nuts never do, yes there were a huge amount of people there, but they were not reporting the same thing.

It was a con, you stare at the sun long enough it is no different than pressing on your eyelids while they are closed. And even unique cloud cover and ice crystals can make the sky look different. I'd say thought who did see the sun dart, it was because of staring at the sun.

Scientists will tell you the sun is not physically capable of doing what people claimed it did. This mass hysteria is really no different than the same marketing Fox News propaganda sells. If you want to believe something badly enough, you will.

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I have heard about this for many years and in my teens took it as fact, however growing in maturity and reading books for myself found the NASA thing not to be true. There are historical records from several places in the ancient world that do record a extra long day at the same time that Joshua lived.
Some of these peoples would have not known each other, some wouldn't have know some of these people existed. Admittedly I've not done a complete study of this, but here is some thing to consider.

There is apologetic value in ancient legends from various parts of the globe, however, including the following: “It is reported by historians that records of the Chinese during the reign of Emperor Yeo, who lived at the same time as Joshua, report ‘a long day.’ Also, Heroditus, a Greek historian, wrote that an account of ‘a long day’ appears in records of Egyptian priests. Others cite records of Mexicans of the sun standing still for an entire day in a year denoted as ‘Seven Rabits,’ which is the same year in which Joshua defeated the Philistines and conquered Palestine.” (Bible-Science Newsletter, Daily Reading Magazine, Supplement, Vol. VIII, No. 5, May 1978, Caldwell, Idaho.)

Additionally, the historical lore of the Aztecs, Peruvians, and Babylonians speak of a “day of twice natural length.” See http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword16a.htm ; see also Immanuel Velikovsky’s “Worlds in Collision.” If Joshua’s long day (not “missing” day) occurred—and of course I believe that it did—then we would expect its effects to show up in the historical records of other nations, and that is exactly what we find.
https://bible.org/question/has-%E2%80%9C...ntifically

GC

There is no value in myths or legends unless they are accepted as such. Holy books are tribal books that reflect the social norms and superstitions of the people that wrote them. They have no scientific value and they do little to nothing to bridge the divides in humanity.

[Mudhammam]

I have heard about this for many years and in my teens took it as fact, however growing in maturity and reading books for myself found the NASA thing not to be true. There are historical records from several places in the ancient world that do record a extra long day at the same time that Joshua lived.
Some of these peoples would have not known each other, some wouldn't have know some of these people existed. Admittedly I've not done a complete study of this, but here is some thing to consider.

There is apologetic value in ancient legends from various parts of the globe, however, including the following: “It is reported by historians that records of the Chinese during the reign of Emperor Yeo, who lived at the same time as Joshua, report ‘a long day.’ Also, Heroditus, a Greek historian, wrote that an account of ‘a long day’ appears in records of Egyptian priests. Others cite records of Mexicans of the sun standing still for an entire day in a year denoted as ‘Seven Rabits,’ which is the same year in which Joshua defeated the Philistines and conquered Palestine.” (Bible-Science Newsletter, Daily Reading Magazine, Supplement, Vol. VIII, No. 5, May 1978, Caldwell, Idaho.)

Additionally, the historical lore of the Aztecs, Peruvians, and Babylonians speak of a “day of twice natural length.” See http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword16a.htm ; see also Immanuel Velikovsky’s “Worlds in Collision.” If Joshua’s long day (not “missing” day) occurred—and of course I believe that it did—then we would expect its effects to show up in the historical records of other nations, and that is exactly what we find.
https://bible.org/question/has-%E2%80%9C...ntifically

GC

Most ancient cultures also have a sky-god / serpent monster battle in their mythology. You would see this as evidence that later writings such as the Bible adopted stories from their pagan predecessors who explained cosmogony and theogony in poetry and myth before the development of philosophy and science, not that there was actually a sky-god battling a snake-monster....um, right?