Evidence God Exists

[Violet]

And you raised this gods-awful thread out of the depths of death to make a snide comment?!

I'd kill you, but I've got this crick in my left ankle. -_-

[The Grand Nudger]

oints to Judas....as has been done in the past...lol:

[Godscreated]

113 pages! Amazing.

There is no evidence god exists. Never has been never shall be.

However, there is proof aplenty that god does not exist.
If possessed of the Omni attributes described as characteristic of a supreme being to humans, then if a god did exist given the condition of the world and especially the chaos that exists in the name of god, then he/she is a slacker and hardly worth the effort of bending a knee in homage to that which is sadistically maltheistic and indifferent.

This proves God doesn't exist^, you must be kidding, right?

[Anymouse]

God exists, and Her name is Eris Discordia. Fear ye all who revel in order.

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[Violet]

Now: Pessimism, not magical thinking, is what will save us.

We aren't going to be saved. Infact, we are to be enslaved. And sent to coal mines running beneath active volcanos along fault lines. Where we will be ass raped by bricks and infected with the 19th century version of syphilis. And when they are done with that: we shall be spat upon and then used as fodder for the cum from above.

I'm an optimist.

[The Grand Nudger]

This proves God doesn't exist^, you must be kidding, right?

No, no, the thing that proves your god doesn't exist is our extremely detailed knowledge of his origins, combined with the invalidation of many, if not most of the claims made in his holy text as either factually inaccurate, or scientifically impossible. Savvy?

Here, let me lay it out for you in a very tidy package. Your god is a combination and refinement of the many tribal gods of the pagan hebrews, with a healthy dose of their neighbors superstitions thrown in for good measure. Their cosmology is borrowed largely from babylonion cosmology, itself flawed due to their lack of reliable instrumentation or information, again, with a healthy dose of other flawed cosmologies. Your god did not create anything in the manner which is described in genesis. He further did not slaughter the first born sons of Egypt and lead his chosen people to freedom with the help of his terrestrial agents. He did not, in fact impregnate a woman who traveled to bethlehem for a non-existent census, and of course failed to live up to the predictions made in revelation..as his kingdom never quite made it to earth did it? A man cannot live in the belly of a giant fish...burning bushes don't speak, human beings, once dead..have a tendency to remain that way, the orbit of the earth around the sun cannot be suspended without consequence to the earth....and to just put the cherry on it for you...If there WERE a way for these things to be possible, given the vast amounts of time we're talking about here..it is highly likely that they would have happened by chance alone, leaving us with a reality which would be hostile to life as we know it, making it very difficult if not impossible for anything resembling ourselves to exist. That we are here, able to have this conversation, says a great deal about our universe.

This is a concept which is not lost on the believer, who make cosmological arguments left, right, and center. The not-so-subtle difference, is that our model more closely matches reality than yours, is simpler, and makes predictions that can and have been used to invalidate our conclusions. If ones conclusions do not match with observed reality, it is not the fault of reality.

Our conclusions must match our observations or be invalidated, your observations are shoehorned to fit your premise, any conclusion reached through this sort of reasoning is meaningless. This is a terrible parody of the search for truth. In fact it is the very essence of my disagreement with you, and exactly the reason that I continue to antagonize you, and anyone for that matter, who would offer a similar opinion.

[Godscreated]

This proves God doesn't exist^, you must be kidding, right?

No, no, the thing that proves your god doesn't exist is our extremely detailed knowledge of his origins, combined with the invalidation of many, if not most of the claims made in his holy text as either factually inaccurate, or scientifically impossible. Savvy?

Here, let me lay it out for you in a very tidy package. Your god is a combination and refinement of the many tribal gods of the pagan hebrews, with a healthy dose of their neighbors superstitions thrown in for good measure. Their cosmology is borrowed largely from babylonion cosmology, itself flawed due to their lack of reliable instrumentation or information, again, with a healthy dose of other flawed cosmologies. Your god did not create anything in the manner which is described in genesis. He further did not slaughter the first born sons of Egypt and lead his chosen people to freedom with the help of his terrestrial agents. He did not, in fact impregnate a woman who traveled to bethlehem for a non-existent census, and of course failed to live up to the predictions made in revelation..as his kingdom never quite made it to earth did it? A man cannot live in the belly of a giant fish...burning bushes don't speak, human beings, once dead..have a tendency to remain that way, the orbit of the earth around the sun cannot be suspended without consequence to the earth....and to just put the cherry on it for you...If there WERE a way for these things to be possible, given the vast amounts of time we're talking about here..it is highly likely that they would have happened by chance alone, leaving us with a reality which would be hostile to life as we know it, making it very difficult if not impossible for anything resembling ourselves to exist. That we are here, able to have this conversation, says a great deal about our universe.

This is a concept which is not lost on the believer, who make cosmological arguments left, right, and center. The not-so-subtle difference, is that our model more closely matches reality than yours, is simpler, and makes predictions that can and have been used to invalidate our conclusions. If ones conclusions do not match with observed reality, it is not the fault of reality.

Our conclusions must match our observations or be invalidated, your observations are shoehorned to fit your premise, any conclusion reached through this sort of reasoning is meaningless. This is a terrible parody of the search for truth. In fact it is the very essence of my disagreement with you, and exactly the reason that I continue to antagonize you, and anyone for that matter, who would offer a similar opinion.

You call all that babble proof that God does not exist, very weak indeed, I thought you might do better than that. As for science needing to observe something to validate it what about dark matter and dark energy, both have been claimed to exsist and there is no evidence for either. Your version of creation says that something existed without cause, please explain how thay is possible, I refer to pre big bang.

[Anymouse]

I presume were talking about the Biblical variety of a god, and not some other version like mentioned in The Principia Discordia.

If after one hundred thirteen pages (I just couldn't slough through them all) they haven't been convincing yet, how many servers is it going to take to store all the responses to this thread trying to prove it?

And if one could "prove" the existence of any god (or the Christian God), then in that instant, "faith" ceases to exist, because empirical evidence exists, and it becomes "science."

Even in the Bible Thomas is rebuked for requiring proof. Why do so many Christians try to go around proving their faith is empirical? In the instant they do it, faith is no longer required, as it becomes fact and beyond dispute. It is no longer a question of "belief."

James.

[Minimalist]

Now: Pessimism, not magical thinking, is what will save us.

We aren't going to be saved. Infact, we are to be enslaved. And sent to coal mines running beneath active volcanos along fault lines. Where we will be ass raped by bricks and infected with the 19th century version of syphilis. And when they are done with that: we shall be spat upon and then used as fodder for the cum from above.

I'm an optimist.

Sae, darling. I think you need a drink and a nice back rub on a beach somewhere.

[BethK]

a woman who traveled to bethlehem for a non-existent census

You left out the little fact that Bethlehem was not even a town between 7-4 BCE. Archeology has found a lot of items there dating from 1200 to 550 BCE and it's been an inhabited town since the 6th century CE, but it was abandoned in the centuries surrounding Christ's birth. See http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/geopedia/Bethlehem and http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmaswwjb.htm

Also, that Israel around 1CE was a very patriarchal society. If there were such a census, the MEN would be the ones registering for the census. Having a wife with him would have been redundant, and he probably would not have brought her - let alone bringing wife who was 9 months pregnant. Nor, if Joseph or Joseph and Mary would have traveled to Bethlehem, they would have traveled in a group as to avoid robbers - just as they did on their way home from Jerusalem when they realized Jesus was missing.

So, there was no census. If there were an unrecorded census, she had no reason to go. If she did make the trek, she would have had to look out for their safety, and not traveled alone.