Evidence God Exists

[The Grand Nudger]

It's exactly what you said, but again, when confronted you're uncomfortable with your own conclusions. Proof that underneath your religious delusions you're a decent, functioning human being.

I'm totally out of line here? The NT doesn't encourage these "nicer" things as the will and desire of god for our actions? Those thoughts, those instructions to be kind that give the text the majority of it's body, that instruct the believer on how to behave in a "christlike" manner, have no value outside of Christ? If that is so, then where am I out of line?

and I qoute "No, and none". Perhaps you didn't fully consider your response to my question?

[thebigfudge]

The OT is a wonderful book ?

First I have heard. We have instructions to stone our unruly children, Kill our wives if they don't bleed on our wedding night or if her parents cant prove she is a virgin.

We learn that rape is acceptable to God after he tore down the walls of Jericho so HIS soldiers could win.

Then they're was Job whose life was destroyed so God could prove a point to Satan,

Don't forget how God killed all the innocent children on exodus Or how he killed EVERYONE in the world with a flood .

The OT is a horrible book full of murder. instructions to murder and manipulation.

[Epimethean]

It's on my shelf right beside de Sade.

[downbeatplumb]

The OT is a horrible book full of murder. instructions to murder and manipulation.

True but the people who wrote it lived in a violent time.

It has no relevance to today nor does the NT.

The western european society has by and large moved beyond its cod morailty and built a better secular one.

[Minimalist]

True but the people who wrote it lived in a violent time.

Mainly because of them.

[downbeatplumb]

True but the people who wrote it lived in a violent time.

Mainly because of them.

I dont think thats entirely fair. Some of the pagans were just as bad. Not worse just on a par.

[Koldaramor]

There's something I've always said. If you had even the slightest evidence for the existence of God. There would be chaos in the world. Every day, dozens of Muslims, Christians and Jews, said that evidence.

if i did grammar mistakes, i am sorry.

[Mad Militant]

First and foremost, I would like to define the word evidence. In speaking to atheists, this is always a point of contention, and too much time is spent on discussing whether or not what I’ve provided is evidence rather than on the real subject. Below are the dictionary definitions of the word…

ev·i·dence /ˈɛvɪdəns/ Show Spelled [ev-i-duhns] Show IPA noun, verb,-denced, -denc·ing.
–noun

1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.

Note the terms ‘ground for belief’ and ‘an indication or sign.’ If a meteorologist discovers that rain in one region is evidence of something, and the lack of rain in another region is evidence of something else, and from these observations he forms a theory, then what he has observed is in fact evidence. What I’m about to provide is no different. I have made an observation about something that is real and tangible around us. Therefore, what I am providing is in fact evidence. Basically, I am claiming that there’s evidence all around us that God exits.

I should note that while I believe in God, I am not an extreme bible belt fundamentalist. I believe in evolution, and I am not unique in this. Roughly 40% of Christians in America believe in evolution. We just see it as part of God’s plan. The point is that I’m not here to argue against evolution, but to argue for the existence of God.

I will always speak to you in a civil manner. Atheists, who pride themselves as being intellectually superior to believers, should be able to provide intelligent arguments without profanity and name-calling. Light bantering and snide comments are okay; sometimes that’s part of the fun. But any disrespectful responses will be immediately ignored, regardless of how intelligent your point is.

Atheists love to use the word ‘refuted’ a lot. Just because you say my argument has been refuted doesn’t mean it has been. I warn you that I am a tough cookie, and I’ll likely have an answer for just about anything you post. So if you’re easily frustrated, perhaps you should not participate in this discussion.

Without further ado, here’s the evidence: Humans are the only species, out of millions of species, which have evolved into an intelligent life form. Other species live pretty much to eat and sleep -- survival. If our evolution were only a result of natural selection, shouldn’t other species, or even just one, have evolved into intelligent beings after millions of years? But the fact is that no other species have been able to develop science, literature, art, music and intelligent thought process as humans have. Isn’t this evidence that God exists?

Yes it is, and for several reasons. For one thing it corroborates what’s written in the bible, which is that God created man in his image, and that animals are inferior. But to truly understand why my evidence points towards a deity one needs to be able to appreciate the grandness of this gift that is human intelligence. And you have to ask yourself, why are we the only species, out of millions, that have achieved this type of intelligence? Evolution is about natural selection, but shouldn’t at least one other species, out of millions, have benefited from intelligence? I think so. And there would be a myriad of other intelligent species if there were no God. If you can appreciate the grandness and uniqueness of human intelligence, then you’ll understand why only humans were given this gift, and you'll know why what I've outlined here points to a God.

Atheists love to use the word ‘refuted’ a lot. Just because you say my argument has been refuted doesn’t mean it has been. I warn you that I am a tough cookie, and I’ll likely have an answer for just about anything you post.

Most believers do have an answer no matter how twisted or off the wall it seems it make sense to them.

But the fact is that no other species have been able to develop science, literature, art, music and intelligent thought process as humans have. Isn’t this evidence that God exists?

What happens to anything that reaches its full growth potential? It stops growing right? Just because no other species evolved the way humans did is not evidence of a god. This strikes me as odd every time I read a post like this. Why? Well if there is a god as theists believe why do they try so hard to prove it? Is their faith that a god exist so weak that they have to substantiate it some how?

Yes it is, and for several reasons. For one thing it corroborates what’s written in the bible, which is that God created man in his image, and that animals are inferior.

No that does not make an animal inferior. The animal world like the human world is survival of the fittest. Crocodiles have been around since the Age of Dinosaurs does that make them inferior? No. It shows that they evolved and learned to adapt to the changing conditions on earth.

The creation myth in the bible is just that a myth. Drawn from Sumerian Creation Myths though most believe they copy and pasted more from the Egyptians. If you put these side by side the similarites are amazing. Sorry but your arguing from a position that don't hold water.

[Diamond-Deist]

Without further ado, here’s the evidence: Humans are the only species, out of millions of species, which have evolved into an intelligent life form. Other species live pretty much to eat and sleep -- survival. If our evolution were only a result of natural selection, shouldn’t other species, or even just one, have evolved into intelligent beings after millions of years? But the fact is that no other species have been able to develop science, literature, art, music and intelligent thought process as humans have. Isn’t this evidence that God exists?

Oh thank you, thank you, you have so made my fkin day.

I have a program for you that will destroy this opinion of yours and leave you shocked and shivering in a corner ...... or at the very least answer your question?

"Walking with Cavemen" is the best way to start you on understanding why were different.

watch it and you will get the gist of what I am getting at, if not come back after you've watched it and I will help you.


...... my work here is done.


(Oh page 123, bit late)

[Peter44]

First and foremost, I would like to define the word evidence. In speaking to atheists, this is always a point of contention, and too much time is spent on discussing whether or not what I’ve provided is evidence rather than on the real subject. Below are the dictionary definitions of the word…

ev·i·dence /ˈɛvɪdəns/ Show Spelled [ev-i-duhns] Show IPA noun, verb,-denced, -denc·ing.
–noun

1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.

Note the terms ‘ground for belief’ and ‘an indication or sign.’ If a meteorologist discovers that rain in one region is evidence of something, and the lack of rain in another region is evidence of something else, and from these observations he forms a theory, then what he has observed is in fact evidence. What I’m about to provide is no different. I have made an observation about something that is real and tangible around us. Therefore, what I am providing is in fact evidence. Basically, I am claiming that there’s evidence all around us that God exits.

I should note that while I believe in God, I am not an extreme bible belt fundamentalist. I believe in evolution, and I am not unique in this. Roughly 40% of Christians in America believe in evolution. We just see it as part of God’s plan. The point is that I’m not here to argue against evolution, but to argue for the existence of God.

I will always speak to you in a civil manner. Atheists, who pride themselves as being intellectually superior to believers, should be able to provide intelligent arguments without profanity and name-calling. Light bantering and snide comments are okay; sometimes that’s part of the fun. But any disrespectful responses will be immediately ignored, regardless of how intelligent your point is.

Atheists love to use the word ‘refuted’ a lot. Just because you say my argument has been refuted doesn’t mean it has been. I warn you that I am a tough cookie, and I’ll likely have an answer for just about anything you post. So if you’re easily frustrated, perhaps you should not participate in this discussion.

Without further ado, here’s the evidence: Humans are the only species, out of millions of species, which have evolved into an intelligent life form. Other species live pretty much to eat and sleep -- survival. If our evolution were only a result of natural selection, shouldn’t other species, or even just one, have evolved into intelligent beings after millions of years? But the fact is that no other species have been able to develop science, literature, art, music and intelligent thought process as humans have. Isn’t this evidence that God exists?

Yes it is, and for several reasons. For one thing it corroborates what’s written in the bible, which is that God created man in his image, and that animals are inferior. But to truly understand why my evidence points towards a deity one needs to be able to appreciate the grandness of this gift that is human intelligence. And you have to ask yourself, why are we the only species, out of millions, that have achieved this type of intelligence? Evolution is about natural selection, but shouldn’t at least one other species, out of millions, have benefited from intelligence? I think so. And there would be a myriad of other intelligent species if there were no God. If you can appreciate the grandness and uniqueness of human intelligence, then you’ll understand why only humans were given this gift, and you'll know why what I've outlined here points to a God.

Its not really possible without mental contortions to believe in God and to believe in evolution.They are mutually exclusive.
Unless of course you don't understand 'evolution' or 'God' for that matter.

Any 'God' that used the mechanism of evolution to create living creatures would have to be a sadist. As sadism is less than perfect any God couldn't be a sadist.

God does not exist at all and we should be very glad about that. Otherwise we would be faced with a sadistic super being that got its kicks from watching his creation (some in his own image) suffer.

You cant have your cake and eat it.